Who killed JFK?

[Remey688]

Beyond LBJ what other group would benefit from Johnson being president?

[tits]

If you were to ask Grumble or THC, I'm sure that they would find some way to tie it directly to Mr. Bush.

Remey688 said:

Beyond LBJ what other group would benefit from Johnson being president?

The book "Fog of War", Mr. McNamarra states that Castro was not afraid to face the US in nuclear exchange. In 1996, Mr. McNamarra finally met Mr. Castro and asked him about the 1962 missiles. Castro responded that he knew and authorized the installation of the missiles. That there were over 140 missiles in Cuba and something around 79 were operational. McNamarra claims that this just floored him for we had no information of this information. Further, Castro confessed that he did not care if the second strike would have flatten his country, that he had insisted the Khrushchev
launch the first strike. The he had even tried to persuade his generals to commandeer a weapon and to launch it.

Now if this is true,
if Kennedy had tried three times to assassinate Castro,
Then it is probable that Castro had the motive and the hutzpah to kill the President.

[mateo]

Remey688 said:

Beyond LBJ what other group would benefit from Johnson being president?

He did prove to be relatively spineless with regards to Vietnam. Perhaps the military big wigs or defense contractors. The bottom line is that people must realize that the JFK assasination goes much, much deeper than Oswald.

[packer]

I simply cannot believe the LBJ conspiracy theory or any of the others such as big business, military, or defense contractor related. As much as those people probably do sometimes want a president dead, they are too "connected" and vulnerable to the good guys to even try to get away with it.

I would guess that there are a couple of logical possibilities. One is that it's much more likely that some nut case such as Oswald could be talked into trying to shoot JFK by clever guys who know how to trip his trigger. Possible suspects would be Castro/Cubans or the old KGB. Or a combination of the above with Kennedy's enemies from the mob being involved.

But it's not reasonable and logical to think that Oswald acted alone and that Ruby acted alone. That's rather simplistic "hoping" in my opinion.

[retire2005]

There is one factor all of you are forgetting; trees. Now if you have been to the Plaza, the one thing you will notice is that the steet is lined with trees. Live Oaks, to be precise. Significance? Live Oaks lose their leaves in the spring. Even accounting for 40 years of growth there was no way Oswald had a direct shot more than once. He would have had obstruction from the Live Oaks as the car moved down the street. Live Oaks are slow growing. The one in my front yard is over two hundred years old and is only about 45' tall. So 40 years in the life of a Live Oak is a short period.
Now, as a hunter, I know that the blood splatter from a gun shot is opposite the entry wound. The blood exits from the exit wound. It is clear in the Zapruder film that there is blood exiting the back of JFK's head. Not the front. Also, the force of the shot, it he was shot in the back of the head, would push him forward, not over the back of the car.
Do I think Oswald was involved? Yes. Do I think he was in cahoots with others? Yes. There are too many unanswered questions about Oswald. Why was he schooled in Russian by his own military? For what purpose? Remember, it was during the Cold War.
We will not know the truth for a long time. The records were sealed so that everyone involved would be dead when they became public. Ever wonder why the Warren Commission was held in private?

[tits]

retire2005 said:

There is one factor all of you are forgetting; trees. ... Ever wonder why the Warren Commission was held in private?

retire, I saw an interview with Gerald Ford two years ago concerning the Warren Commission. He was one of a few survivors of the Commission still alive.

When asked point blank if there was a conspiracy, Mr. Ford responded that "all the evidence that we reviewed" indicated "no". I have to wonder two points.

1) Was the Commission a "conspiracy" to hide the truth for it was too damning to international relations?

2) Have we made a mountain out of a molehill?

I personally believe that it was a conspiracy, that the truth would find that Oswald was not alone and that Castro was behind it. That the truth was withheld because it would have the American public split over nuking the Cubans and possible war with Russia and a real civil war that the "civil rights" and "Vietnam" only hinted at.

Those men, in fact all politicans are egotistic megomaniacs, but (with a very small exception) they are very intelligent. The handwritting was on the wall. The Soviets were willing to and likely to go to war with the US. The generation gap, gender gap, and social gap were forcing may urban legends to shape the political map.

Question:
With the vast amount of record keeping:
With the way that evidence is still unfolding concerning the great conflicts of the Twentieth Century:
With the age of most of those involved:
With the desire to gain acceptance and recognition one last time (a.k.a. Deep Throat):

What is the likelihood that key records have not be destroyed, altered, or misplaced? What chance that the truth will ever be known given the paranoia and governmental distrust? What is the chance that everyone with access to the classified records and intel will never speak?

[retire05]

retire, I saw an interview with Gerald Ford two years ago concerning the Warren Commission. He was one of a few survivors of the Commission still alive.

When asked point blank if there was a conspiracy, Mr. Ford responded that "all the evidence that we reviewed" indicated "no". I have to wonder two points.

1) Was the Commission a "conspiracy" to hide the truth for it was too damning to international relations?
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Therein lies your answer. The Warren Commission was held behind closed doors because it did not want the truth about all the players to come out. Remember, JFK was beloved by almost all Americans. What do you think would have happened if the Warren Commission had reported that Cubans were behind the assassination? With Cuba being backed by the Soviet Union, Americans were have demanded retribution toward Cuba, and Cuba would have had the USSR behind it. Bingo, full blown war. Us against Cuba and the USSR.
No one should discount the trees. Nor should they discount that no police department sends twenty squad cars to answer a call about a man entering a movie theater without paying. It just doesn't happen, not then, not now.
Picture this: the President of the United States has just been shot. All of Dallas is in high alert. Every policeman, fireman, deputy sheriff. Now a call comes in about a guy walking into a movie theater and doesn't pay for his ticket. Streets are being blocked, sirens are blaring everywhere. People are running around like chickens with their head chopped off and the police dispatcher sends twenty squad cars to one movie theater? Why?
One other thing; anytime the President came to Texas, be it LBJ or JFK, Fort Hood was put on alert. Planes sat on the tarmac with their engines running waiting for the signal to give air cover. Why was Fort Hood told to "stand down?" Who gave that order? That is one of the secrets of the Warren Commission.
No, Oswald did not kill the President alone. Cubans, Mafia with Cuban ties, Cubans financed by the USSR. It all fits.
But we will never know the truth. The Warren Commission deemed we could not handle the truth so they build this lie about Oswald being the lone shooter.

[Remey688]

The Warren Commission smells t to people my age or older, i.e. out of high school when JFK was assassinated. 80% of the U.S. adult population thought the Warren Commission was a joke--the findings in the report incredibly ridiculous, and the 50 years sealed evidence extra questionable!

Remey

[stratagosv]

I think it was either THC or the discovery channel that did an analysis and came to the conclusion that there was no "magic bullet" and oswald was a good enough shot and could shoot and reload quickly enough. HOWEVER... that doesn't mean there wasn't a conspiracy, you have to ignore a lot of other things that occured that day to just say Oswald and Oswald alone.

[tits]

stratagosv said:

I think it was either THC or the discovery channel that did an analysis and came to the conclusion that there was no "magic bullet" and oswald was a good enough shot and could shoot and reload quickly enough. HOWEVER... that doesn't mean there wasn't a conspiracy, you have to ignore a lot of other things that occured that day to just say Oswald and Oswald alone.

I agree, the convoluted flight path of the magic bullet was proven possible. However, I felt the sudden backward jerk and exploding head fragment weak.

Is it just me, or do others find it impossible to have a government cover up on a scale larger than a few people. Once the lower level employees are involved, someone always talks. At that point heads roll to protect the powerfully guilty.

The films of the grassy knoll and the accounts from the people that there speak louder than the official account. However, if the plot were a successful operation of a few, the magnitude of the investigation is too great for a cover up. I look at the recent "Deep Throat" release, people just have to talk. I find the whole mess too confusing. Marine Sniper school teaches to travel in a team, shooter and spotter, often with a back up. There were a few SpecOps teams of the 1960s who JohnWayned, but most were in teams with backups and secondary targets for the backup. The same is true for the "blackops". The Soviets, CIA, MI5, MASUD, etc. all have "operations" done in a team.

Oswald was not a Squeaky Fromm or Tim McVey/Terry Nichols, he was not alone! That is my opinion.

[Remey688]

tits said:

stratagosv said:

I think it was either THC or the discovery channel that did an analysis and came to the conclusion that there was no "magic bullet" and oswald was a good enough shot and could shoot and reload quickly enough. HOWEVER... that doesn't mean there wasn't a conspiracy, you have to ignore a lot of other things that occured that day to just say Oswald and Oswald alone.

I agree, the convoluted flight path of the magic bullet was proven possible. However, I felt the sudden backward jerk and exploding head fragment weak.

Is it just me, or do others find it impossible to have a government cover up on a scale larger than a few people. Once the lower level employees are involved, someone always talks. At that point heads roll to protect the powerfully guilty.

The films of the grassy knoll and the accounts from the people that there speak louder than the official account. However, if the plot were a successful operation of a few, the magnitude of the investigation is too great for a cover up. I look at the recent "Deep Throat" release, people just have to talk. I find the whole mess too confusing. Marine Sniper school teaches to travel in a team, shooter and spotter, often with a back up. There were a few SpecOps teams of the 1960s who JohnWayned, but most were in teams with backups and secondary targets for the backup. The same is true for the "blackops". The Soviets, CIA, MI5, MASUD, etc. all have "operations" done in a team.

Oswald was not a Squeaky Fromm or Tim McVey/Terry Nichols, he was not alone! That is my opinion.

We knew in 1963 that other Super 8 mm films were in the hands of the government. Why was the one with the president being struck with the fatal round not visible because of a direction or traffic sign released? The Warren Commision's report stunk from day one.

[Remey688]

tits said:

stratagosv said:

I think it was either THC or the discovery channel that did an analysis and came to the conclusion that there was no "magic bullet" and oswald was a good enough shot and could shoot and reload quickly enough. HOWEVER... that doesn't mean there wasn't a conspiracy, you have to ignore a lot of other things that occured that day to just say Oswald and Oswald alone.

I agree, the convoluted flight path of the magic bullet was proven possible. However, I felt the sudden backward jerk and exploding head fragment weak.

Is it just me, or do others find it impossible to have a government cover up on a scale larger than a few people. Once the lower level employees are involved, someone always talks. At that point heads roll to protect the powerfully guilty.

The films of the grassy knoll and the accounts from the people that there speak louder than the official account. However, if the plot were a successful operation of a few, the magnitude of the investigation is too great for a cover up. I look at the recent "Deep Throat" release, people just have to talk. I find the whole mess too confusing. Marine Sniper school teaches to travel in a team, shooter and spotter, often with a back up. There were a few SpecOps teams of the 1960s who JohnWayned, but most were in teams with backups and secondary targets for the backup. The same is true for the "blackops". The Soviets, CIA, MI5, MASUD, etc. all have "operations" done in a team.

Oswald was not a Squeaky Fromm or Tim McVey/Terry Nichols, he was not alone! That is my opinion.

We knew in 1963 that other Super 8 mm films were in the hands of the government. Why was the one with the president being struck with the fatal round not visible because of a direction or traffic sign released? The Warren Commision's report stunk from day one.

[MARIO]

>>>you have to ignore a lot of other things that occured that day to just say Oswald and Oswald alone.<<<

-Strat; Such as?

[stratagosv]

Well, you'd have to ignore all the witness contradictions to the story. You'd have to ignore WHY the president took such a stupid route with low security. You'd have to ignore WHY after the president had been shot so many cops come to arrest a man who didn't pay for a movie ticket etc etc.

[MARIO]

stratagosv said:

Well, you'd have to ignore all the witness contradictions to the story. You'd have to ignore WHY the president took such a stupid route with low security. You'd have to ignore WHY after the president had been shot so many cops come to arrest a man who didn't pay for a movie ticket etc etc.

Didn't pay for a movie ticket??

Oswald had just shot a Dallas police officer, J.D. Tippit!!!