Who killed JFK?

[dustdevil28]

Who do you believe got it right? The Warren Commission, or Oliver Stone?

For me I go with Oswald.

[americanpride]

You know which vote is mine.

[dustdevil28]

AmericanPride said:

You know which vote is mine.

Ahh, of course. It was the guy with a queer eye on the grassy knol

[mateo]

Oswald could not have acted alone. I've never seen Stone's JFK, so I don't really base my opinion on that.

Think about it: The guy was a moderate marksman on a good day. We're to believe that he scored two direct hits at a moving target, and he didn't even aim at center mass. He went for the head shot. Plus, he went for the harder shot. He had better line of sight before the motorcade turned. Oswald working alon? Doubtful.

But, maybe we all feel better not asking questions.

[MARIO]

battleborn said:

Who do you believe got it right? The Warren Commission, or Oliver Stone?

For me I go with Oswald.

It was Oswald.

Too many Americans are obsessed with the idea of a conspiracy. I know it's a bit hard to believe that the President of the United States can be killed by one guy without it being a conspiracy, but...

Oswald was far better than a moderate marksman.

BB, Gerald Posner has a best-selling book he wrote about the Kennedy assassination. He explains virtually everything, arguing that Oswald was the lone gunman. Very convincing, as was the THC

Later.

[mateo]

MARIO said:

It was Oswald.

Too many Americans are obsessed with the idea of a conspiracy. I know it's a bit hard to believe that the President of the United States can be killed by one guy without it being a conspiracy, but...

Oswald was far better than a moderate marksman.

BB, Gerald Posner has a best-selling book he wrote about the Kennedy assassination. He explains virtually everything, arguing that Oswald was the lone gunman. Very convincing, as was the THC

Later.

I'm not buying it. Have you ever tried to crack off several round from a bolt action rifle within six seconds? And we're not talking about a precision M24 sniper rifle here. I'm talking about a Mannlicher-Carcano 91/38. Not exactly the epitome of fine rifle manufacturing. I sometimes have trouble keeping dead on accuracy with an M16 for three or four rounds.

[dustdevil28]

Mateo said:

I'm not buying it. Have you ever tried to crack off several round from a bolt action rifle within six seconds? And we're not talking about a precision M24 sniper rifle here. I'm talking about a Mannlicher-Carcano 91/38. Not exactly the epitome of fine rifle manufacturing. I sometimes have trouble keeping dead on accuracy with an M16 for three or four rounds.

As Mario mentioned above Oswald was a better markman than most gave him credit for.

A few years back ABC did a special on the assasination that took on many of Oliver Stone's issues brought up by the movie JFK. One of the biggest things I remember they debunked was the magic bullit theory. The way the documentary talked of it was that Gov. O'Connel was sitting sloched and at a different angle than what was brought up in the movie. A review of the Zepruter (sp?) film showed as much.

Mario probably knows more on this than I do since I've read no books on the subject and have only seen limited documentaries, but still I'm reminded of the old adage that if it walks and talks like a duck than it's a duck. Oswald fit the profile of a man who would more than likly do something like this on his own.

[MARIO]

battleborn said:

As Mario mentioned above Oswald was a better markman than most gave him credit for.

A few years back ABC did a special on the assasination that took on many of Oliver Stone's issues brought up by the movie JFK. One of the biggest things I remember they debunked was the magic bullit theory. The way the documentary talked of it was that Gov. O'Connel was sitting sloched and at a different angle than what was brought up in the movie. A review of the Zepruter (sp?) film showed as much.

Mario probably knows more on this than I do since I've read no books on the subject and have only seen limited documentaries, but still I'm reminded of the old adage that if it walks and talks like a duck than it's a duck. Oswald fit the profile of a man who would more than likly do something like this on his own.

BB, that's the documentary I watched as well. It was great! You remember the 75 yr old guy who demonstrated that he could fire the the number of shots Oswald did in the time he did?

And, yes, the part of the documentary detailing the magic bullet theory was excellent.

While it's difficult for some to accept, I firmly believe that Oswald was the only person responsible for Kennedy's murder. And if one understands the kind of man Oswald was, it makes perfect sense.

Later.

[NixonsGhost]

Here is the rub about Oswald. I used to believe it was possible that Oswald did the firing. However, two things work against that theory.
First the Zapruder film shows blood spraying out the back of the car. Two Motorcycle cops were sprayed with blood about 25 feet behind the car. Now, I have never witnessed a person being hit with a headshot, being from the midwest, I have been in a number of hunts. I have never seen blood spray in the direction the shot was supposedly fired. While I don't teach physics. I would almost say that it is nearly impossible.
Secondly, I visited Dealey Plaza and the Book depository. The angle of the shot is ridiculous! The first shot would have come down almost on top of his head. As the car turned it is a hairpin turn almost directly below Oswald. BUT, he was supposedly 50 feet directly above the car which would mean he would have had to hang out the window. In inspecting the window, i can't see any other way to shoot at the angle without exposing yourself out of the window. Just kind of some logical arguments.
I have seen a MYRIAD of different sources that have explanations, but as many others that cloud the convictions of others.
Here is the kicker. When Oswald was apprehended at the theater. They didn't say who he was, the person who called him in didn't KNOW the description of Oswald, or that the president had been shot. Simply put the Dallas Police FOrce SHOULDN'T have known who this man was when they went to investigate a complaint of a man walking into a movie without paying.
In understanding that this was what the complaint was, why would you send half of the Dallas Police Force to the scene, without already knowing that this was your man???
While Oswald may have been involved, while he may have possibly done some shooting. There are just so many caveats and addendums to this story to simply pronounce that Oswald acted alone.

[MARIO]

NixonsGhost said:

Here is the rub about Oswald. I used to believe it was possible that Oswald did the firing. However, two things work against that theory.
First the Zapruder film shows blood spraying out the back of the car. Two Motorcycle cops were sprayed with blood about 25 feet behind the car. Now, I have never witnessed a person being hit with a headshot, being from the midwest, I have been in a number of hunts. I have never seen blood spray in the direction the shot was supposedly fired. While I don't teach physics. I would almost say that it is nearly impossible.
Secondly, I visited Dealey Plaza and the Book depository. The angle of the shot is ridiculous! The first shot would have come down almost on top of his head. As the car turned it is a hairpin turn almost directly below Oswald. BUT, he was supposedly 50 feet directly above the car which would mean he would have had to hang out the window. In inspecting the window, i can't see any other way to shoot at the angle without exposing yourself out of the window. Just kind of some logical arguments.
I have seen a MYRIAD of different sources that have explanations, but as many others that cloud the convictions of others.
Here is the kicker. When Oswald was apprehended at the theater. They didn't say who he was, the person who called him in didn't KNOW the description of Oswald, or that the president had been shot. Simply put the Dallas Police FOrce SHOULDN'T have known who this man was when they went to investigate a complaint of a man walking into a movie without paying.
In understanding that this was what the complaint was, why would you send half of the Dallas Police Force to the scene, without already knowing that this was your man???
While Oswald may have been involved, while he may have possibly done some shooting. There are just so many caveats and addendums to this story to simply pronounce that Oswald acted alone.

Peck, I had all of these same views. I believed it was a conspiracy, too. However, you should definitely find some time and watch the ABC documentary on the assassination. It addresses your points about the shots and the book depository, etc. A great documentary, which was narrated by (believe it or not) Peter Jennings.

It also rips Oliver Ston'e JFK film apart.

Take care.

[tits]

Based on the specials over the last few years on THC, Discovery and BBC. I believe that it was a Castro hit. The pieces fit. Kennedy had tried three times and failed to assassinate Castro. Oswald was a disgruntled expat. who had visited Cuba and Castro. The evidence that someone was on the knoll. And....

The documentary "The Fog of War" where Robert Strange MacNamarra stated that there were three near nuclear war incidents during his tenure as SecDef. Mac visited Castro in 1996 and stated that he was startled to find that 156 missiles were in Cuba at the October 1962 challenge. That over 80 were operational. That 15 of the 80 were the big ICBM hydrogen bombs. However, when asked if Castro knew of the missiles, Castro replied, yes and that he had authorized their use even knowing that it would destroy Cuba. Mac, then said that this made him confident that Khrushchev was the right man to deal with for Castro then was willing total annihilation to hurt America.

Many members of the Warren Commission had first hand experience with the Missile crisis and with the other two near war incidents. They also knew that Americans would demand military action against Castro, thus risking nuclear war. Oswald was made the fall-guy.

[dustdevil28]

Tits said:

Based on the specials over the last few years on THC, Discovery and BBC. I believe that it was a Castro hit. The pieces fit. Kennedy had tried three times and failed to assassinate Castro. Oswald was a disgruntled expat. who had visited Cuba and Castro. The evidence that someone was on the knoll. And....

The documentary "The Fog of War" where Robert Strange MacNamarra stated that there were three near nuclear war incidents during his tenure as SecDef. Mac visited Castro in 1996 and stated that he was startled to find that 156 missiles were in Cuba at the October 1962 challenge. That over 80 were operational. That 15 of the 80 were the big ICBM hydrogen bombs. However, when asked if Castro knew of the missiles, Castro replied, yes and that he had authorized their use even knowing that it would destroy Cuba. Mac, then said that this made him confident that Khrushchev was the right man to deal with for Castro then was willing total annihilation to hurt America.

Many members of the Warren Commission had first hand experience with the Missile crisis and with the other two near war incidents. They also knew that Americans would demand military action against Castro, thus risking nuclear war. Oswald was made the fall-guy.

I do remember seeing a documentary on THC about how LBJ remarked that he thought Castro was behind it. Kind-of makes you wonder if what would have happened it we'd followed through with air support on the bay of pigs fiasco.

Oswald was a man who was a loner, and felt marxism was some how a great solution. His personal campaigns for marxism went nowhere and Oswald felt ignored. So he did what maybe should be expected of someone with this kind-of psyche. He sought out a big target and got it.

[MARIO]

battleborn said:

I do remember seeing a documentary on THC about how LBJ remarked that he thought Castro was behind it. Kind-of makes you wonder if what would have happened it we'd followed through with air support on the bay of pigs fiasco.

Oswald was a man who was a loner, and felt marxism was some how a great solution. His personal campaigns for marxism went nowhere and Oswald felt ignored. So he did what maybe should be expected of someone with this kind-of psyche. He sought out a big target and got it.

EXACTLY RIGHT.

[mateo]

battleborn said:

As Mario mentioned above Oswald was a better markman than most gave him credit for.

A few years back ABC did a special on the assasination that took on many of Oliver Stone's issues brought up by the movie JFK. One of the biggest things I remember they debunked was the magic bullit theory. The way the documentary talked of it was that Gov. O'Connel was sitting sloched and at a different angle than what was brought up in the movie. A review of the Zepruter (sp?) film showed as much.

Mario probably knows more on this than I do since I've read no books on the subject and have only seen limited documentaries, but still I'm reminded of the old adage that if it walks and talks like a duck than it's a duck. Oswald fit the profile of a man who would more than likly do something like this on his own.

All I'm saying us that it doesn't hurt to keep asking questions. I just can't bring myself to believe that Oswald acted alone.

[Remey688]

MARIO said:

BB, that's the documentary I watched as well. It was great! You remember the 75 yr old guy who demonstrated that he could fire the the number of shots Oswald did in the time he did?

And, yes, the part of the documentary detailing the magic bullet theory was excellent.

While it's difficult for some to accept, I firmly believe that Oswald was the only person responsible for Kennedy's murder. And if one understands the kind of man Oswald was, it makes perfect sense.

Later.

Then why the 50 years sealed files? Why not released it now while people who remember that day are still alive?