Where did the doctrine of "once saved always saved

[youngstown]

Satan is a player for the Buffalo Sabres Hockey Team. Do you think it's the same guy? LOL

[FightingFalcon]

Satan is probably the root cause of genocide on our Earth.

Lucifer never practiced genocide on mankind - god has. I find that highly ironic.

[Dave]

So in one post you say Lucifer tempts people to do evil, and another say he's never comitted genocide. I'm going to throw some names out. Stalin, Hitler, Hussein, Milosevic...by your own words, the evil done by these men is the responsibility of Lucifer, correct? And you sympathise with this monster?

[FightingFalcon]

spoonapple said:

So in one post you say Lucifer tempts people to do evil, and another say he's never comitted genocide. I'm going to throw some names out. Stalin, Hitler, Hussein, Milosevic...by your own words, the evil done by these men is the responsibility of Lucifer, correct? And you sympathise with this monster?

Did we forget the story of Job? Did we forget that god allows and condones the temptation of his creatoin? Who is more evil? At least by his own hand Lucifer never committed genocide - compared to god who managed to wipe out nearly every single human being on the face of the earth. Not even Hitler accomplished that.

I feel bad for Lucifer because he chose not to lead a life of slavery and is forever condemned for it. In his shoes, every one of us probably would have done the exact same thing. I would certainly look down upon anyone who didn't.

I'm certainly not a fan of Lucifer (despite the fact that he doesn't exist) but I sympathize with him. I sympathize with anyone who rebels against god's tyranny.

[Dave]

lol. so you've brought about this maelstrom because of 2 beings you don't even believe in? Bored?

And if Lucifer is free, why can he only influence people by the graces of God?

[FightingFalcon]

spoonapple said:

lol. so you've brought about this maelstrom because of 2 beings you don't even believe in? Bored?

And if Lucifer is free, why can he only influence people by the graces of God?

No, I don't believe in Lucifer or God. Cat tried to make me feel guilty by comparing me to Lucifer so I brought up how I sympathized with Lucifer in his rebellion against God. I sympathize with any rebel in his or her fight against tyranny.

Lucifer is free now but in the past he was used to justify actions committed by God that most human beings would reject as tyrannical, genocidal, etc. It's a very easy justification - God destroyed all of mankind but it's not his fault! Lucifer made people evil so God had to! Therefore its Lucifer's fault!

That logic is ridiculous.

For the record, I reject the use of the word "Satan" because of the image that it brings up. You know - the image of a satyr that Christians stole from Greek mythology to make the transition toward Christianity easier for pagans.

[Dave]

You support any rebel? To include Hamas, Hizbollah, FARC, Abu-Sayyaf and so on?

I understand your support for the old version IRA, but would hope you wouldn't support the likes of those particular groups.

[FightingFalcon]

spoonapple said:

You support any rebel? To include Hamas, Hizbollah, FARC, Abu-Sayyaf and so on?

I understand your support for the old version IRA, but would hope you wouldn't support the likes of those particular groups.

I said a rebellion against legitimate tyranny - no where did I give blanket support to any rebellion. The state of Israel is not a dictatorship.

Let me clarify - I support the use of force against a dictatorial regime in order to bring about a democratic revolution.

[Dave]

fightingfalcon said:

I said a rebellion against legitimate tyranny - no where did I give blanket support to any rebellion. The state of Israel is not a dictatorship.

Let me clarify - I support the use of force against a dictatorial regime in order to bring about a democratic revolution.

Ok, but who has the moral ground to label it a fight against tyranny? Hezbollah and Hamas look at Israel that way. The FARC rebels look at the Colombian govt that way.

[FightingFalcon]

spoonapple said:

Ok, but who has the moral ground to label it a fight against tyranny? Hezbollah and Hamas look at Israel that way. The FARC rebels look at the Colombian govt that way.

That's why I dislike the term terrorist - its simply a matter of perspective.

[jfree]

Terrorist is clearly defined, only one w/a twisted perspective would call a terrorist a freedom fighter. Or are you suggesting that those who flew planes into the WTC were not terrorists? Is Al Queda a terrorist organization?

Anyone w/a semblence of right and wrong would know the difference, only those whose reality is clouded by extremist ideology is confused on whose who.

Falcon, you've becomes so extreme in your ideology that you reality is skewed. I suggest a step back, drop the superman books, their rotting your brain, your beginning to sound like a leftist loon.

Nothing is more ridiculous than all those leftist war protestors in the Che, Hamas, Hezbolah t-shirts, hypocritical and retarded, d-d-d. Anyone running round bombing innocents in trains, planes, school, markets and cars is a terrorist, it really is that simple. Invest in some black and white perspective, the world isn't a vast grey area, there is right and wrong, lose your moral compass and you end up like Rosie and co.

[Dave]

jfree said:

Terrorist is clearly defined, only one w/a twisted perspective would call a terrorist a freedom fighter. Or are you suggesting that those who flew planes into the WTC were not terrorists? Is Al Queda a terrorist organization?

Anyone w/a semblence of right and wrong would know the difference, only those whose reality is clouded by extremist ideology is confused on whose who.

You answered? I didn't think he was serious. I was still waiting for the punchline.

[jfree]

Sadly Spoon, he was serious

[Dave]

That is sad. Spoon sounds better than sneeg does....

[jfree]

Oh, so your sneeg? Now I know ya!

I was wondering what happened, your moniker dissappeared again.