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Post by bounce on May 20, 2006 5:17:39 GMT -8
Hey Lor... I agree with you wholeheartedly, but could you expand on this. I don't understand this point: Were they REMOTELY INTERESTED in acquiring US citizenship, they would have gone to the local INS office and adjusted their status. |
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Post by cameron on May 20, 2006 5:39:37 GMT -8
Gee Cameron - do you ever bother with basic history? US interests have been attacked by Muslims from damn near its very beginning. Nothing has changed - not even the rhetoric. American citizenship can be transmitted by parent. It is not necessary to be born in the US to be an American citizenship. Vice President Rockefeller was not born on American soil but was born an American citizen. Hundreds of thousands of Americans are born overseas every year - and the local American Consular Officer duly records those births and issues a birth certificate.  Illegals in the US DO NOT WANT to be US citizens. Were they REMOTELY INTERESTED in acquiring US citizenship, they would have gone to the local INS office and adjusted their status. WHY don't they? 1) They don't want to work and live legally in the us, i.e., PAY TAXES or 2) They are criminals and would not pass a criminal background check REQUIRED OF ALL LEGAL IMMIGRANTS. It should be noted that the current "outrage" expressed by the "leaders" of the coyotes is based on the requirement of criminal background checks. They want complete amnesty and the dropping of criminal background checks. They are criminals who have profited for decades trafficking in people. SLAVE TRADE. You are supporting slave traders, Cameron. Acceptable for Muslim countries and the UN Human Rights organization. NOT acceptable for Americans however. Hey Lor  Don't tell me they don't want to be here legal please. Lor I've known a whole bunch of them, they most certainly do. You know I should go into this more but I need go right now. Lor I've worked with trained, and lived with them. Lor here in Huntington kick them all out and the town shuts down and the neighborhood by the train station where they all own homes will be emptied. We need honest debate and exchange of ideas on this. Not false blanket assumptions. As far as the Barbary Pirates go I know all about them thanks anyway Lor. The threat we face as a nation at this momment is not being possed by wetbacks. This whole thing has put me in one very sour mood so I 'm gonna go do the yarkwork get all the bad blood in me sweated out. |
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Post by cameron on May 20, 2006 5:50:38 GMT -8
So what? We cannot solve the financial problems of every poor person born in every country in the world. What gives THEM the right to simply decide they're coming here, violate our law at will and decide there isn't shit we can do about it? That takes them from the realm of the poor, to the realm of the criminally poor. When they enter this country ILLEGALLY (by the tens of millions), you bet! Fuck an "A!" If you want to be more accurate, you can add two hundred million, "THE FUCKING WET BACKS ARE INVADING!" to that. Cameron, I haven't heard one single person from ANYWHERE on the anti-Illegal bandwagon say anything contradicting this statement. You're either missing the point or grasping at straws. You see Cameron, the term "Bite me," is a statement against Mario, not his ideas. You should say, "Fuck that!" instead of, "Fuck YOU!" One is against an idea and the other is against a person. That's how you do it. Attack the idea, not the person. Thanks Bounce |
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Post by LorSpi on May 20, 2006 6:12:24 GMT -8
Hey Lor... I agree with you wholeheartedly, but could you expand on this. I don't understand this point: Were they REMOTELY INTERESTED in acquiring US citizenship, they would have gone to the local INS office and adjusted their status. The US remains the single easiest country to migrate to. Folks who are in the country without status have a whole range of options by which to adjust their status. Get their employer to sponsor them. Become a student. Marry a resident or citizen. Claim asylum. Or simply go to the INS, 'fess up and get ROR'd. Anyone one of those steps IMMEDIATELY adjusts your status. Now - not all folks who try to get residency in the US gets it. But a far larger % get into the US than any other country. However when someone breaks the law - well that's another story. Folks who fail to show up for their immigration hearing have broken US law for instance. Folks who are engaged in organized crime activities. Folks who have been convicted of crimes in the US or their own country. Folks who are living on US tax payer funded public services. But the process of being in the US legally - whether your status is under review or you are in the process of adjusting your status - is straight forward. The vast majority of the 11 million people who continue to reside in the US illegally are Mexicans. They REFUSE - actively refuse - to obey US law. And their government is benefiting financially from their criminal behavior. BTW - did you know that Mexicans and NO OTHER NATIONALITY can claim their relatives IN MEXICO when they file with the IRS? I found out this little nugget while working in Mexico. They don't need SS#s or any proof. I saw Mexican-American 1040s that claimed six folks living in Mexico as deductions. The one I saw was submitted by the man's father who wanted to visit his son in the US. He had a nice pension and was living the middle class life in Mexico City. But his son claimed him as a dependent. I told the man I couldn't issue a visa if he was dependent on his son for money. He vigorously denied he received any money from his son. I believed him. But I explained to him that either he was lying to me or his son was lying to the US government. He would have to discuss the issue with his son not me. Now - add the money made by coyotes - and their kickback to the Mexican government. Then add the money make by the Mexican cartels selling cocaine and meth. This is NOT about immigration. It is about organized crime. If it was about immigration, Mexican living legally in the US would adjust their status. The honest ones do - and Mexicans ARE the largest immigrant group in the US. It is the criminals who do NOT do so. Criminals are living in the US illegally. |
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Post by LorSpi on May 20, 2006 6:30:06 GMT -8
Hey Lor Don't tell me they don't want to be here legal please. Lor I've known a whole bunch of them, they most certainly do. You know I should go into this more but I need go right now. Lor I've worked with trained, and lived with them. Lor here in Huntington kick them all out and the town shuts down and the neighborhood by the train station where they all own homes will be emptied. We need honest debate and exchange of ideas on this. Not false blanket assumptions. As far as the Barbary Pirates go I know all about them thanks anyway Lor. The threat we face as a nation at this moment is not being posed by wetbacks. This whole thing has put me in one very sour mood so I 'm gonna go do the yarkwork get all the bad blood in me sweated out. You're going to have one very manicured lawn, I expect  Cameron - you are either neglecting or ignoring one very basic fact: the number of Mexicans who are living LEGALLY in the US. In fact, your support of those who are breaking US law is an insult to the majority of law-abiding Mexicans who are legal residents - whether as students, workers or family members. Here www.uscis.gov/graphics/shared/statistics/yearbook/Yearbook2004.pdf Do your homework. Mexicans are the largest legal immigrant group in the US. This is NOT about immigration. This is about CRIMINALS. SLAVE TRADING. CORRUPTION. Follow the money. Who do you think is paying for these "demonstrations" demanding the end to criminal background checks? LEGAL Mexican residents? No. Adjusting immigration status in the US is easy. The fact that these folks have chosen not to makes them criminals. Plenty of Mexicans obey US law - go to the Consulates and apply for work visas, student visas, immigration visas. Time to arrest and deport those who don't. Put the coyotes out of business. |
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Post by bounce on May 20, 2006 6:31:47 GMT -8
Jesus Christ!
No, that's a new one on me.
Spoken through a translator: "Why yes, field agent Stimpson, I really have 122 legitimate deductions down in Mexico. Honest!
We're Catholic. Are you discriminating against me for my religion?"
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Post by bounce on May 20, 2006 6:37:50 GMT -8
NO SHIT!
NO SHIT!!!
NO SHIT!!!!!
I didn't know the first sentence.
The rest of it is ABSOLUTE!
Fuck an "A!"
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Post by 101ABN on May 20, 2006 7:34:45 GMT -8
"Follow the money. Who do you think is paying for these "demonstrations" demanding the end to criminal background checks? LEGAL Mexican residents? No. "
They are largely funded by communist front organizations like ANSWER and rich internationalists like George Soros who hardly have Americna interests ans sovereignty at heart.
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Post by LorSpi on May 20, 2006 8:41:56 GMT -8
Jesus Christ! No, that's a new one on me. Spoken through a translator: "Why yes, field agent Stimpson, I really have 122 legitimate deductions down in Mexico. Honest! We're Catholic. Are you discriminating against me for my religion?" Now tell me - you see any newspaper or TV reporting on THAT? I don't think even Lou Dobbs managed to research that one. Oh - and I stand corrected. Canadians can do this as well. www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040nr.pdf |
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Post by LorSpi on May 20, 2006 8:46:03 GMT -8
"Follow the money. Who do you think is paying for these "demonstrations" demanding the end to criminal background checks? LEGAL Mexican residents? No. " They are largely funded by communist front organizations like ANSWER and rich internationalists like George Soros who hardly have Americna interests ans sovereignty at heart. The Mexican government would lose big bucks should trafficking in people be curtailed in the US. |
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Post by bounce on May 20, 2006 8:46:33 GMT -8
Well the shit of it is that WE have to pay US taxes on money we earn in other countries, yet THEY get a tax break on money THEY EARN HERE?  ? WTF? |
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Post by LorSpi on May 20, 2006 8:51:42 GMT -8
Well the shit of it is that WE have to pay US taxes on money we earn in other countries, yet THEY get a tax break on money THEY EARN HERE? ? WTF? It's going to happen and it's going to hurt. Struggling just rumples the clothes. |
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Post by bounce on May 20, 2006 8:55:03 GMT -8
Outrage is a great indicator of effectiveness.
The louder they scream "RACISM," the more effective they know our plan will be.
The louder they scream, "IT WON'T WORK!" The more I know it will to a large degree. If they really thought it wouldn't put a big pinch in their plans, they wouldn't waste their time responding. They'd sit at home and laugh.
AND, BTW, did you see Wal*Mart's profits were up over 6% LAST QUARTER???
So much for shutting Gringos down on May 01.
That needs to be remembered and hailed for the colossal failure that it was.
Oops, I just realized that May 01 is in THIS quarter.
LOL
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Post by bounce on May 20, 2006 8:57:44 GMT -8
lol
Now THAT is an interesting way to put it...
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Post by 101ABN on May 20, 2006 8:58:14 GMT -8
"Follow the money. Who do you think is paying for these "demonstrations" demanding the end to criminal background checks? LEGAL Mexican residents? No. " They are largely funded by communist front organizations like ANSWER and rich internationalists like George Soros who hardly have Americna interests ans sovereignty at heart. The Mexican government would lose big bucks should trafficking in people be curtailed in the US. Unindicted co-conspirators all. |
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