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Post by cameron on May 22, 2006 22:34:37 GMT -8
It's they who have come illegally, it's not up to me to make it possible for them to stay. Why would I reward lawbreakers? "Why, thank you for stealing my car. Not to worry, I forgive you. Why don't you just keep it and I'll buy the gas and insurance for you. Oh and let me know when you need tires and an oil change." Nosir. Not gonna happen. Not possible to stay possible to get here legally. It is not currently possible for them to get here legally. They have done nothing to you but add to our economy. |
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Post by bounce on May 23, 2006 5:02:51 GMT -8
Cameron, this is horse-dookey.
If they were a net gain, Fox would be building his own wall - TO KEEP THEM IN!
"The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth, a farce and a lie. There is no such thing as "cheap labor." Take, for example, an illegal Mexican who sneaks in here with his wife and five children. He takes a job for five or six dollars an hour. At that wage with six dependents he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200, free.
As LorSpi pointed out, he can even claim deductions for supposed dependents currently living in Mexico!
He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent, food stamps, and free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care to the point where our hospitals are forced to go out of business.
His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school, and require bi-lingual teachers and books that taxpayers provide. The schools are so clogged with illegals that we have to build more schools to put them in.
Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins,and printed material.
They cannot be harassed (like they tried to do to us on anti-Gringo day), or sued. He and his family receive the equivalent of $20 to $30 an hour in benefits, while working Americans are lucky to have $5 or $6 an hour left after paying their bills and his, and paying for increased crime, graffiti, and trash cleanup.
In California, over 30% of all inmates are illegal aliens.
Those with fake social security cards survive on ID Theft.
Then, on payday, they send every dollar they can back to Mexico.
Some cheap labor they are, huh?
On May 01, they proved to us that we can get along just fine without them. They proved they have no adverse power over our economy, which means they are of no benefit as well. With all the Mexican flags I saw and all the Mexican anti-Gringo racist rhetoric I heard on that day, they proved they don't want to become Americans. What they want is to import Mexico, HERE!
If you want America to look like Mexico City, just support illegal immigration.
Mexico City is a shit-hole. If it wasn't, why would they be beating down the doors to get here?
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Post by 101ABN on May 23, 2006 5:33:45 GMT -8
"They have done nothing to you but add to our economy. "
That, Sir, is called "The Big Lie."
And you've swallowed it whole.
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Post by bounce on May 23, 2006 5:42:14 GMT -8
"They have done nothing to you but add to our economy. " That,Sir, is called "The Big Lie." And you've swallowed it whole. Well, either that, or there is some "other agenda" in play here. |
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Post by cameron on May 23, 2006 5:55:30 GMT -8
"They have done nothing to you but add to our economy. " That,Sir, is called "The Big Lie." And you've swallowed it whole. Well, either that, or there is some "other agenda" in play here. "Other Agenda" OOOOOHHHHH scary stuff count chocula Give that shit up Bounce being true to my principles does not give my an ulterior motive. I could make the same sort of suggestions about you all. Perhaps you refuse to see the logic of my position because you have reasons other then they ones you are willing to admit openly. |
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Post by 101ABN on May 23, 2006 6:10:26 GMT -8
"Perhaps you refuse to see the logic of my position "
YOU HAVEN'T PRESENTED ANY!
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Post by cameron on May 23, 2006 6:19:45 GMT -8
I make the same arguments over and over while you never address the substance of my arguments you simply call them bullshit. You say your problem is with their leagall status. OK then answer my question why not make it possible for them to come here legally?
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Post by cameron on May 23, 2006 6:53:20 GMT -8
Cameron, this is horse-dookey. If they were a net gain, Fox would be building his own wall - TO KEEP THEM IN! What? OK tell me your not that ignorant of economics for crying out loud. Fox does not have our free market economy. "The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth, a farce and a lie. There is no such thing as "cheap labor." Take, for example, an illegal Mexican who sneaks in here with his wife and five children. He takes a job for five or six dollars an hour. At that wage with six dependents he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200, free. As LorSpi pointed out, he can even claim deductions for supposed dependents currently living in Mexico! Who's fault is that? He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent, food stamps, and free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care to the point where our hospitals are forced to go out of business. Again who's fault is it that our government is providing services they have no business providing? His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school, and require bi-lingual teachers and books that taxpayers provide. The schools are so clogged with illegals that we have to build more schools to put them in. Again who's fault is this? Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins,and printed material. Yet again, who's fault ours or theirs? They cannot be harassed (like they tried to do to us on anti-Gringo day), or sued. He and his family receive the equivalent of $20 to $30 an hour in benefits, while working Americans are lucky to have $5 or $6 an hour left after paying their bills and his, and paying for increased crime, graffiti, and trash cleanup. You are talking to a man that has survived so far by the sweat of his own brow, me. They get 20 to30 dollars an hour in benefits? Horse shit substantiate that claim. In California, over 30% of all inmates are illegal aliens. I have no problem kicking anyone out within 24 hours if they are involved in a crime. Those with fake social security cards survive on ID Theft. Yep, a crime you are going to make much more lucrative then it already is. Do you know why I always believed that Reagan was right we could develop a star wars missile defense? Human nature! There has never been a offensive weapon were eventually a defensive counter to that weapon was not invented. Never ever in human history. We are a very adoptive species. That we could develop an ID that can't be forged is a pipe dream. Then, on payday, they send every dollar they can back to Mexico. So what it's their money they earned it? I would say cut of all foreign aid to Mexico the remittance paid by individuals is far more effective and less corrupt and actually gets to the people it's intended to help. Some cheap labor they are, huh? Yes they are and they are helping to fuel our current expansion. On May 01, they proved to us that we can get along just fine without them. They proved they have no adverse power over our economy, which means they are of no benefit as well. With all the Mexican flags I saw and all the Mexican anti-Gringo racist rhetoric I heard on that day, they proved they don't want to become Americans. What they want is to import Mexico, HERE! I share your anger over those that took part in those protests and suggested we should have rolled up in paddy wagons and shipped them of that day. What was amazing about those protests was how few actually took part in them. The majority of them did not and do not share the sentiments expressed at those rallies. If you want America to look like Mexico City, just support illegal immigration. How many times do I have to say the same thing over and over again. I SUPPORT SECURING OUR BORDERS!!! I don't think what you want to do will work. Mexico City is a shit-hole. If it wasn't, why would they be beating down the doors to get here? No they would not, nor would they want to make were they are escaping to, into the shit hole they are trying to get away from. Is there no help for the widow's son? |
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Post by bounce on May 23, 2006 7:49:48 GMT -8
What? OK tell me your not that ignorant of economics for crying out loud. Fox does not have our free market economy. Who's fault is that?  OURS! AND WE NEED TO FIX IT RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!! OURS! AND WE NEED TO FIX IT RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!! OURS! AND WE NEED TO FIX IT RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!! OURS! AND WE NEED TO FIX IT RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!! In NYC Rush Limbaugh himself did a study some years back and, when adding up all the freebies available, determined that in NYC ALONE, a homeless person could get the equivalent of $40K per year in goodies! Tell me you don't remember that! Well, as I recall that didn't even include tax breaks for their kids and supposed dependents in Mexico. That didn't include free school breakfast and lunch as I recall. That didn't include free health care and the benefits of free ID theft. They are involved in a crime the second they cross our borders illegally. Next issue: My SS card is a piece of fucking blue paper. Don't try to tell me we can't do a whole lot better. They earned it like a bank robber earns it. So what??? IT's still illegal. |
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Post by cameron on May 23, 2006 8:11:51 GMT -8
Who's fault is that? OURS! AND WE NEED TO FIX IT RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!! OURS! AND WE NEED TO FIX IT RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!! OURS! AND WE NEED TO FIX IT RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!! OURS! AND WE NEED TO FIX IT RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!! In NYC Rush Limbaugh himself did a study some years back and, when adding up all the freebies available, determined that in NYC ALONE, a homeless person could get the equivalent of $40K per year in goodies! Tell me you don't remember that! Well, as I recall that didn't even include tax breaks for their kids and supposed dependents in Mexico. That didn't include free school breakfast and lunch as I recall. That didn't include free health care and the benefits of free ID theft. They are involved in a crime the second they cross our borders illegally. Next issue: My SS card is a piece of fucking blue paper. Don't try to tell me we can't do a whole lot better. They earned it like a bank robber earns it. So what??? IT's still illegal. You know it's nice out and I need to get back to the yard work. I'm stupid now am I? Well then I guess that's why you can't honestly address my critisism. I've been reading reasoned critisisms across the net to my position. You here have failed to do anything of the sort. Instead you question my loyalty and intelligence, then wonder why I think no better of you then the moonbats at THC. Talk to ya latter going outside to stew. |
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Post by 101ABN on May 23, 2006 18:26:47 GMT -8
"I make the same arguments over and over while you never address the substance of my arguments you simply call them bullshit. You say your problem is with their leagall status. OK then answer my question why not make it possible for them to come here legally?"
Because bullshit is bullshit, Cameron.
You keep telling me these illegals are of some benefit but you never say what other than some vague (dare I say it?) BULLSHIT about "they're fuelling our economy. "
"No they would not, nor would they want to make were they are escaping to, into the shit hole they are trying to get away from."
That's exactly what's happening in the border states, Cameron.
You've got your head so far up your ass on this topic you can see daylight through your nostrils.
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Post by AmericanPride on May 24, 2006 16:45:55 GMT -8
Cameron,
It IS possible for people to enter legally. Millions of people do it. Millions have done it. And millions more will do it. And it's no secret on how to go about getting citizenship. So - why do they avoid it?
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Post by bounce on May 24, 2006 17:05:20 GMT -8
CAMERON!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Bounce screaming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
You really have to learn how to read more carefully!
Did I say, "Cameron is stupid?"
Fuck no!
Read it again!
I go to great pains to stick to the issues and avoid personal attacks, but you have to be able to read as specifically as I write or you're going to get the wrong message (as you did here).
Now, as to the issue of not addressing your points...
I haven't read one that is completely factually true or that makes sense yet.
I have done nothing but point out the flaws in your arguments over the past 400+ posts I have put up on this issue. I've said pretty much everything I have to say about it.
What's the use?
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