To Be Anti-Immigration Is to Be Anti-American

[101ABN]

cameron said:

admin said:

Bullshit then and bullshit now.

Direct and to the point.

I will take your critique and file it under bullshit.

Thanks for your input.

File it under "I" for input in that place where the sun doesn't shine.

[bounce]

We have done nothing up to this point in time to lift a finger to stop them from coming in or from getting a job once they are here, have we?

That is flat out bullshit. I heard someone say we've turned around something like 9 million over the past (however long).

We've deported gazillions!

This is flat out wrong Cameron.

It matters not at all that no one here personally gave their approval, we as a nation were in fact sending a message to these people.

The government speaks for us collectively. The law is our answer! That means NO ILLEGAL ENTRY, PERIOD!

Now how many people do you suppose got up and left to never return to their favorite eatery when they realized the bus boy didn't speak any English?

Not speaking english isn't against the law right now. Illegal entry is.

How many home owners made sure the contractor's laborers putting on the new edition to their home, all had their papers?

This is meaningless. That's not the homeowner's responsibility! It's the employer's.

Do you suppose they went with the guy that seemed to be able to do what they wanted for the least amount of money. Not really looking to close at who was putting up the dry wall. Here on Long Island landscapers are every where. How many people do you think check to make sure the guy they hire only uses documented labor? I could go on and on. Are you starting to see my point?

Not in the least!!!

We the people of the United States were not a bunch of innocent bystanders who were let down by our politicians when it comes to this "invasion". We as a whole were in fact complicit in allowing these people in. Maybe not you or me personally but as a nation that really can't be denied. So the way I see it all the self righteous anger is misplaced. We created the problem and we can solve the problem in a way that is just and equitable to all.

BULL FUCKING SHIT!

We did not create the poor and their plight. They are choosing to enter this country illegally. The fact that we've been blind to this problem as a "people" is not TACIT APPROVAL.


Listen Cameron... I'm not accusing you, but YOU ARE sounding just like someone who is either illegal tehmselves, or someone who has a vested interest in Illegals getting some kind of recognized legal status.

I'm not going to even ask you to respond to that. I'm just saying...

Mario alluded to this the other day and I have been avoiding even bringing it up, but this goes a long way past simple hate for the INS.

[cameron]

admin said:

"They broke the law big bloody deal so what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? "

It has more to do with the price of frijoles in Los Angeles.

But I hear you, Fuck the law, Fuck the rule of Law, Fuck the Constitution and the Bill of Rights too.

Let's legalize these illiterate souls, make them our indentured servants, and support their families on welfare for the next two generations. Hell, let's just forget about borders, the English language and any kind of common culture while were at it.

My God, you're fucking mad!

Oh get off the overblown rhetoric.

No the ones who are mad are those who think that some wet back working at a golf course cutting grass is a greater threat to our survivial then our real enemies the Islamo-fascists

[cameron]

bounce said:

We have done nothing up to this point in time to lift a finger to stop them from coming in or from getting a job once they are here, have we?

That is flat out bullshit. I heard someone say we've turned around something like 9 million over the past (however long).

We've deported gazillions!

This is flat out wrong Cameron.






The government speaks for us collectively. The law is our answer! That means NO ILLEGAL ENTRY, PERIOD!




Not speaking english isn't against the law right now. Illegal entry is.




This is meaningless. That's not the homeowner's responsibility! It's the employer's.




Not in the least!!!

We the people of the United States were not a bunch of innocent bystanders who were let down by our politicians when it comes to this "invasion". We as a whole were in fact complicit in allowing these people in. Maybe not you or me personally but as a nation that really can't be denied. So the way I see it all the self righteous anger is misplaced. We created the problem and we can solve the problem in a way that is just and equitable to all.

BULL FUCKING SHIT!

We did not create the poor and their plight. They are choosing to enter this country illegally. The fact that we've been blind to this problem as a "people" is not TACIT APPROVAL.


Listen Cameron... I'm not accusing you, but YOU ARE sounding just like someone who is either illegal tehmselves, or someone who has a vested interest in Illegals getting some kind of recognized legal status.

I'm not going to even ask you to respond to that. I'm just saying...

Mario alluded to this the other day and I have been avoiding even bringing it up, but this goes a long way past simple hate for the INS.

Reality is reality we let them come here and work end of story.

Because I don't agree with you guys here?

I got news for you Bounce there are millions of people who think like I do on this and none of us have a hidden agenda. Read all my posts I've made it very clear why I think as I do.

[bounce]

We are talking about line jumping remember?

I said line jumping was a red herring and it is.

You know, the people who are (or were) IN LINE can damn sure see it.

You can't.

[bounce]

Reality is reality we let them come here and work end of story.

We let them, huh???

So, why do they run like rats when the INS shows up?

[101ABN]

'No the ones who are mad are those who think that some wet back working at a golf course cutting grass is a greater threat to our survivial then our real enemies the Islamo-fascists "

Like we have to choose one to the exclusion of the other.

"Reality is reality we let them come here and work end of story. "

My God, you truly are fucking mad!

[bounce]

What you're after with this "recognized legal status" is TACIT APPROVAL.

That's what WE AREN'T GOING TO DO!

[cameron]

admin said:

'No the ones who are mad are those who think that some wet back working at a golf course cutting grass is a greater threat to our survivial then our real enemies the Islamo-fascists "

Like we have to choose one to the exclusion of the other.

My God, you're fucking mad!

One is an enemy the other is not.

I keep being accused of having some hidden agenda here, but I tell you what if I did not know better, if I were new here I would think you were all racists and bigots.

[cameron]

bounce said:

We are talking about line jumping remember?

I said line jumping was a red herring and it is.

You know, the people who are (or were) IN LINE can damn sure see it.

You can't.

You've only talked to the ones that support what you think. I have talked to those that agree with me. Welcome to America!

[bounce]

Like we have to choose one to the exclusion of the other.

My God, you're fucking mad!

Cameron... 101's right. This is the kind of thing that makes me question your loyalty to this country.

You are connecting dots that don't exist and failing to see the yellow brick road right in front of your face.

All you seem to care about is letting in all the world's poor regardless of their ability to contribute to this country's goals.

They are NOT our making, nor our responsibility.

The well being of THIS COUNTRY is our responsibility.

[cameron]

bounce said:

What you're after with this "recognized legal status" is TACIT APPROVAL.

That's what WE AREN'T GOING TO DO!

Want to bet a seminar on it?

[cameron]

bounce said:

Like we have to choose one to the exclusion of the other.

My God, you're fucking mad!

Cameron... 101's right. This is the kind of thing that makes me question your loyalty to this country.

You are connecting dots that don't exist and failing to see the yellow brick road right in front of your face.

All you seem to care about is letting in all the world's poor regardless of their ability to contribute to this country's goals.

They are NOT our making, nor our responsibility.

The well being of THIS COUNTRY is our responsibility.

You question my loyalty because I don't agree with you?

I'm beyond getting angry over you doing that now.

If you question my loyalty you are a fool.

I'm going for a walk I will count the number of illegals.

How many do you think I will pass on the way to 7/11?

[cameron]

bounce said:

Like we have to choose one to the exclusion of the other.

My God, you're fucking mad!

Cameron... 101's right. This is the kind of thing that makes me question your loyalty to this country.

You are connecting dots that don't exist and failing to see the yellow brick road right in front of your face.

All you seem to care about is letting in all the world's poor regardless of their ability to contribute to this country's goals.

They are NOT our making, nor our responsibility.

The well being of THIS COUNTRY is our responsibility.

Yes they are our doing we in this country take responsibity for what happens here. If we don't who will? This is just idiotic.

[bounce]

You question my loyalty because I don't agree with you?

I'm beyond getting angry over you doing that now.

If you question my loyalty you are a fool.

No, now hang on a minute...

What you are trying to say is that WE OWE THESE PEOPLE.

WHY???

You are trying to get us to see that it's already too late!
We already done did this deal.
We already gave our approval.
They're already here and there ain't shit we can do about it.
May as well give up on our immigration laws.
Let 'em in!
Surrender to the masses of criminals!
There are too many now, so forget it.

And, if we don't agree, we're racists and bigots!

Fuck that! It's NOT GOING TO WORK!

Why would you think I wouldn't question your loyalty at this point?

We owe these criminals NOTHING! They're lawbreakers!

We're just now gearing up and I THANK GOD that the House is buying us some time (some breathing room) to either help some Senators to see the light or be shown the door out!

This fight is just beginning.

I want to thank the illegals for their May 01 poke in the eye!

We needed that REALLY BAD.

I thank them for making this bullshit impossible to ignore.