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Post by FightingFalcon on May 29, 2006 15:46:00 GMT -8
Our elected officials are suppose to represent the will of their constituents, see the oath of office, and Bush' campaign certainly said nothing about legalizing millions of illegals. WRONG. Nothing about the Oath of Office says to represent the will of the constituents. It's about upholding the Constitution. Everything else is just BS. I, Loyal Citizen of the Republic, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.Where the fuck does it say anything about constituents? |
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Post by cameron on May 29, 2006 15:47:06 GMT -8
You know what your right thanks for helping me to see the light people who in many cases risk their lives to come here and the lives of their children are in fact coming here to be welfare cheats, thanks for helping me with that.
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Post by jfree on May 29, 2006 16:04:41 GMT -8
To uphold the duties of that office include representing the American Citizens. My we are getting testy aren't we?
Why are you guys getting so nasty and mean?
The numbers do not support your conclusions, they show it as a net drain. I want to protect America and it's economy and its citizenry above all else. Illegals create massive problems, why can you not see it even when it is in your face?
Do you realize how much jungle there is in Mexico and how much food is in the jungle? Do you realize it is a democracy and if it's citizenry would stop taking the easy route and fix their own damn country they wouldn't need to invade ours? That is all they have to do, vote, pay attention and protest, they could fix it. Instead they come here suck up our social services and depress the middle class, but you all don't care about that. You are dealing in unreallities, they are not starving they could make their country better, but they would rather change ours.
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Post by FightingFalcon on May 29, 2006 16:08:47 GMT -8
I just hate it when people try to argue that we are a democracy when in fact we aren't.
Representatives aren't supposed to do what we tell them to.
The military isn't supposed to do what the people want.
The Judiciary isn't supposed to do what the people want.
The president isn't supposed to do what the people want.
All four of those groups serve ONE thing and ONE thing only - the Constitution of the United States. Everything else is just BS.
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Post by jfree on May 29, 2006 16:12:58 GMT -8
Define Represent...............
Yes they are suppose the represent us, they are representatives hence the name. The reason we vote for Parties is they are suppose to represent the values of that party, they are suppose to be public servants, servants of the public at large.
Again, quite being like harry and stop w/the innane insults, it is beneath you both.
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Post by FightingFalcon on May 29, 2006 16:19:42 GMT -8
No, no and more no.
Representatives are supposed to do what's in the best interests of the Republic and the Constitution - REGARDLESS of what the people think.
If you don't like it, you can vote them out on Election Day.
Stop trying to make America into a mobocracy.
As for being public servants - they are servants to the Republic and the Constitution. They pledge to give up their lives in service to the Republic and sometimes they must literally give up their lives in service.
But no Oath taken by any "public" servant mentions anything about carrying out the "will" of the people - as if the American people were ever in complete agreement about anything.
If the "will of the people" was to suddenly get rid of the 1st Amendment, I would start killing my fellow Americans in defense of the Constitution. That piece of paper is the only thing that I serve.
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Post by jfree on May 29, 2006 16:26:19 GMT -8
You know as well as I the entire point of a democracy is to represent the will of the majority. The constitution is here to protect the people from the government and eachother, but still the entire point is majority rules, that is why we vote. If voting meant nothing, then no one would bother.
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Post by cameron on May 29, 2006 16:34:35 GMT -8
This is what I mean when I speak to the ignorance of some conservatives. We are a Republic not a direct democracy by design and purpose. We elect people to represent us and to do what they believe is in our best interest and sometimes that means going against popular opinion. This is basic civics 101.
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Post by FightingFalcon on May 29, 2006 17:34:14 GMT -8
You know as well as I the entire point of a democracy is to represent the will of the majority. The constitution is here to protect the people from the government and eachother, but still the entire point is majority rules, that is why we vote. If voting meant nothing, then no one would bother. Of course that would be true if America was a democracy. I thought Republicans loved the Pledge of Allegiance? "...and to the Republic for which it stands..." |
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Post by jfree on May 29, 2006 19:27:37 GMT -8
You both are being assholes. You know exactly what I meant, and I know how the fucking government works. You are beginning to sound like those asshole moonbats at THC, being insulting and contentious.
I know it is not a true democracy, but the entire point of this government's founding is for the people and by the people and it doesn't give illegal invaders any fucking rights, so stop being condescending and argue your point of view. Neither of you have backed up any fucking thing you say, it has been all conjecture and opinion and you know it. I have given you cold hard numbers. You have refused to answer any questions about your view or any othe questions asked of you.
Why the fuck is it our problem?
Why the fuck can't they fix their own freakin country?
They are not starvin and they aint stupid, they live in democracy just like us.
Why do we have to pay to support them and then give them anything else they demand?
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Post by MARIO on May 29, 2006 20:24:27 GMT -8
Don't worry, Jill.
You're absolutely right on the illegal immigration insults. Ignore the insults.
As for the democracy issue, James is right. We are a Republic and a representative democracy. We elect persons to represent us. If they do something with which we disagree, our only recourse is to deny them our vote in the next election and financial contributions.
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Post by cameron on May 30, 2006 1:06:10 GMT -8
You both are being assholes. You know exactly what I meant, and I know how the fucking government works. You are beginning to sound like those asshole moonbats at THC, being insulting and contentious. I know it is not a true democracy, but the entire point of this government's founding is for the people and by the people and it doesn't give illegal invaders any fucking rights, so stop being condescending and argue your point of view. Neither of you have backed up any fucking thing you say, it has been all conjecture and opinion and you know it. I have given you cold hard numbers. You have refused to answer any questions about your view or any othe questions asked of you. Why the fuck is it our problem? Why the fuck can't they fix their own freakin country? They are not starvin and they aint stupid, they live in democracy just like us. Why do we have to pay to support them and then give them anything else they demand? You're the one who showed you did not understand how the government was meant to work. That is not my fault or anyone else's fault. I provide you with an opinion given be an economist and signed by other economists and that's no good for you. You are not interested in anything other then that which supports your prejudice. You want to pretend that people who have been coming here for the last 20 years are lazy fucks, because to do otherwise you would have to admit what you want, is to treat them unjustly. That's your fucking problem not mine. You call people coming here to get jobs working as manual laborers part of an invasion. What a load of horse shit, you 101 and Mario and the rest sound like a bunch of racists and bigots. I don't know if that is what you are, it is what you sound like. If that is not what you are then start making your points without putting down people who for the most part come here to get jobs and work hard, and don't try and tell me that is not what they are for the most part. I've lived and worked amongst these people. I have had my loyalty questioned and my intelligence insulted because I do not think what you want to do is viable or workable. It is not going to happen and it would not work even if it was made law. The problem is not that we do not have laws against hiring illegals the problem is the laws are not enforceable. We have entire cities to include New York that simply refuse to enforce them and for good reason from their point of view. You are not going to convince entire communities to do serious damage to their own economies. They aren't going to do it! So you and those that feel like you do, if you get your way, will arrest a few illegals and a few who hired them and the problem will remain. You will feel better I'm sure while nothing real is done or accomplished about border security. We have real enemies who mean to do us real harm and they do not happen to be peasants who take jobs working as maids and landscapers. They are not part of some invasion they are coming here to earn a living. It is time to stop acting like angry spoiled children who insist on getting what you can't have and start addressing the problem of border security with real solutions that have a chance of actually working. |
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Post by AmericanPride on May 30, 2006 4:17:43 GMT -8
cameron --
The fault in your argument, of course, is assuming that addressing illegal immigration is somehow mutually exclusive of strengthening border security.
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Post by bounce on May 30, 2006 5:05:39 GMT -8
Nice try Cameron...
The fact is that the laws we have ARE ABSOLUTELY ENFORCEABLE. Moreover, you're scared to fucking death that we'll start doing so.
Any RINO who doesn't do as they're TOLD by the American public WILL SUFFER FOR IT in November.
The choice is theirs.
They can speak now (as Bush is doing - just look at his poll numbers) and we'll speak in November.
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Post by cameron on May 30, 2006 8:09:32 GMT -8
cameron -- The fault in your argument, of course, is assuming that addressing illegal immigration is somehow mutually exclusive of strengthening border security. No the fault is in your argument, you can not seal the border without addressing the underlying economic issues involved. |
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