America Imploding

[101ABN]

"Mario much of this sounds racist to me and I'm not throwing that around the way the moonbats do."

Yes, you are and I'm fed up to the neck with it.

It's your hearing that's off.

[cameron]

admin said:

"Mario much of this sounds racist to me and I'm not throwing that around the way the moonbats do."

Yes, you are and I'm fed up to the neck with it.

It's your hearing that's off.

No I'm not and the fact that someone such as myself says you sound like racists should give you pause but no. I have my loyalty questioned. You people are out of touch with reality and I'm hard pressed to understand why if it isn't for racist reasons.

[jfree]

HEHEHEHE, that is good American.

May 19, 2006
French Parliament Makes US Senate Look Weak on Immigration Reform
Filed Under: Europe, Immigration, Articles, Culture, Washington, DC, Op-Ed, Domestic Policies

This just might be a first: the French are cracking down on unbridled immigration while the American government is showing weakness in dealing with an out-of-control illegal immigration problem.

The French parliament is backing an immigration bill that is designed to make it more difficult for unskilled workers to settle in France, especially illegal aliens. The French bill offers residence documents to highly qualified immigrants from outside the European Union, while reducing the number of the uneducated and unskilled allowed to settle in France.

Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, who drafted the bill, told the BBC that the new law will bring France into line with other countries, but as with the left in the US, critics say the French bill is racist.

Sarkozy, who is himself the son of a Hungarian immigrant, has since praised the contribution of skilled migrants to France but insists those who entered illegally must be sent back to their own countries.

During a visit to West Africa, Minister Sarkozy faced intense protests and rallies by those who oppose the immigration law. Ahead of his arrival in Mani — the homeland of many immigrants living in France — hundreds staged a march against the legislation in the capital, Bamako, according to the French press.

The proposed law will also require immigrants from outside the European Union to sign a binding agreement to learn French and to respect the principles of the French Republic. In addition the law makes it more difficult for immigrant workers to bring their families over to join them and will not recognize “anchor” babies as is done in the US.

Some of the provisions of the French immigration bill are:


* Only the qualified get “skills and talents” residency permits

* Foreigners only allowed in to work, not live off benefits such as welfare

* Foreign spouses to wait longer for residence cards

* Migrants must agree to learn French

* Migrants must sign ‘contract’ respecting the French way of life

* Scraps the current law on workers getting citizenship after 10 years

Failure to comply with these provisions will be grounds for deportation, according to the bill.

Deputies in the French National Assembly approved the bill by 367 votes to 164 on Wednesday. It must also be passed by the Senate, which will start debating it in June, but it’s believed there will be little trouble getting the bill passed.

Minister Sarkozy has argued that riots by youths in immigrant suburbs across France last November showed the system of immigration and integration was failing. He says France, like a number of other Western countries, must choose the immigrants it needs.

“It’s selective immigration,” he said.

During the debate the interior minister has faced sharp criticism from the opposition from some centrists and most leftists. But Nicolas Sarkozy said France needed immigrants who will bring new skills

Socialist MP Serge Blisko said the bill amounted to “the organized pillaging of brains,” according to the Associated Press.

The controversial vote came while Sarkozy traveled to West Africa for a two-day trip in order to discuss immigration issues. Most immigrants living in France come from its former African colonies. The French were sharply rebuked by several nations in the region, including President Abdoulaye Wade of Senegal.

The council of Christian Churches wrote to the government expressing its concern as did several left-wing organizations.

Marielou Jampolski, of the French antiracism organization SOS Racisme, said her group was completely opposed to the bill. “We think that it tries to kill every liberty and every right of the French immigrants, and I think it’s very dangerous for the country,” she told the BBC.

“Fortunately for the French people, who overwhelmingly support the new immigration legislation, their leaders are remaining tough on the issue, unlike their American counterparts who fold like cheap cameras,” says political analyst Mike Baker.

Baker also questioned why the US news media are not covering the French immigration story since the US is dealing with the same problem — immigration.

“I suspect the American press wants us to believe we’re alone in our attempts to get tough on illegal immigration,” he said.

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[101ABN]

Cameron,

I'd suggest you do some quick study on how to make your point without playing that hand. You've been presented with a preponderance of information that refutes your claims that illegals are a net benefit to the country. You've rejected them out of hand and continue to play the same tune:

"They're just fine citizens trying to better themselves, they're good for the USA and I don't care what laws they broke because the laws are all wrong and unenforceable and the way to stop the illegals is to make them all legal and if you don't agree with me you’re out of touch with reality and you must be a nazi racist 'cause you wouldn't care if they were white."

Let me give you a hint. When you go to that “call them racists” dreck, you've already lost the argument.

Let me be clear here, you've been a valued member of this community and are perfectly free to continue to be so.

BUT,

I will not tolerate any further instances of being called a racist or a nazi, not by you, not by anyone. I'm the son of an immigrant, a LEGAL immigrant. I've spent a fair amount of my adult life supporting civil rights of AMERICANS, specifically minorities, veterans, and those with disablities. I've put my ass on the line in action against a totalitarian state and lost 14 friends and spilled two pints of my own blood in the bargain.

While I respect your passion, I believe your opinion is flawed. That's OK, we can disagree, but I'll treat any further instance of your racist/nazi comments as a personal attack and provide you with some time to think on why that behavior is offensive.

[cameron]

admin said:

Cameron,

I'd suggest you do some quick study on how to make your point without playing that hand. You've been presented with a preponderance of information that refutes your claims that illegals are a net benefit to the country. You've rejected them out of hand and continue to play the same tune:

"They're just fine citizens trying to better themselves, they're good for the USA and I don't care what laws they broke because the laws are all wrong and unenforceable and the way to stop the illegals is to make them all legal and if you don't agree with me you’re out of touch with reality and you must be a nazi racist 'cause you wouldn't care if they were white."

Let me give you a hint. When you go to that “call them racists” dreck, you've already lost the argument.

Let me be clear here, you've been a valued member of this community and are perfectly free to continue to be so.

BUT,

I will not tolerate any further instances of being called a racist or a nazi, not by you, not by anyone. I'm the son of an immigrant, a LEGAL immigrant. I've spent a fair amount of my adult life supporting civil rights of AMERICANS, specifically minorities, veterans, and those with disablities. I've put my ass on the line in action against a totalitarian state and lost 14 friends and spilled two pints of my own blood in the bargain.

While I respect your passion, I believe your opinion is flawed. That's OK, we can disagree, but I'll treat any further instance of your racist/nazi comments as a personal attack and provide you with some time to think on it.

Provide a quote from me where I called you a NAZIS. I'm fairly fed up with you so it may be a good time for me to give myself a time out. I have provided arguments that have not only refuted yours you haven't even addressed them. You would rather pretend that something that is never going to happen and would never work is a viable solution. I have a primary concern it is border security and because I refuse to knuckle under to what sounds to me like bullshit I've had my loyality questioned.

[jfree]

"No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little."
-- Edmund Burke

I noticed you skipped over my post about illegals from the phillipines. Like I said, my best friend is a phillipino, I don't care about skin color I care about my country and what is best for it.

[101ABN]

"They're just fine citizens trying to better themselves, they're good for the USA and I don't care what laws they broke because the laws are all wrong and unenforceable and the way to stop the illegals is to make them all legal and if you don't agree with me you’re out of touch with reality and you must be a nazi racist 'cause you wouldn't care if they were white."

Your argument in a nutshell.

[cameron]

admin said:

"They're just fine citizens trying to better themselves, they're good for the USA and I don't care what laws they broke because the laws are all wrong and unenforceable and the way to stop the illegals is to make them all legal and if you don't agree with me you’re out of touch with reality and you must be a nazi racist 'cause you wouldn't care if they were white."

Your argument in a nutshell.

That's not my argument that is a cartoon of my argument and a testament to your lack of an ability to address my arguments honestly.

[cameron]

jfree said:

"No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little."
-- Edmund Burke

I noticed you skipped over my post about illegals from the phillipines. Like I said, my best friend is a phillipino, I don't care about skin color I care about my country and what is best for it.

I didn't see it I'll get to it latter kinda in a bad mood at the moment and probably a better idea to get to it tomorrow.

[101ABN]

"That's not my argument that is a cartoon of my argument and a testament to your lack of an ability to address my arguments honestly. "

See if you can recognize the author. I'll paraphrase:

Don't want to sound like a cartoon, stop talking like a cartoon.

[cameron]

admin said:

"That's not my argument that is a cartoon of my argument and a testament to your lack of an ability to address my arguments honestly. "

See if you can recognize the author. I'll paraphrase:

Don't want to sound like a cartoon, stop talking like a cartoon.

So tell me, how do you propose to have communities like the one I live in here on Long Island cooperate with your plans. The economy here on Long Island is at this point is dependent on their labor, and the locals officials are not going to willingly enforce the laws and will probably help make them unenforcible. So tell me what are you going to do, arrest all the town councils on Long Island? You and the rest of the enforcement only crowd are living in a fantasy world. It is past time you angry little people grew up and started facing the real world as it is, and not as you want it to be. There are illegals on Long Island who have started families have bought homes and are good neighbors to have. In fact I know a family with a son serving in the Marines. I really want to hear you tell me how this family has taken anything away from anyone. I sorry but I'm really sick of you and the rest of the self deluded crowd of ship'em out idiots. We have real enemies and you people are putting the nation at risk because of this horse shit. Grow the up!!!

[bounce]

I have provided arguments that have not only refuted yours you haven't even addressed them.

Cameron, I cannot believe you can type these words. You have refuted nothing. You just keep repeating the same old bullshit lines.

Your math only goes down one line (they work cheap and they've been here too long to kick them out now). Well, that's complete BS!

You refuse to see the situation in its entirety (they're costing us our country!).

I (WE!) have responded with hundreds of posts doing NOTHING BUT addressing your point. It's short sighted as hell.

It is you that have not addressed the closed hospitals, clogged schools, clogged prisons, clogged highways (many driving without insurance and running away after causing deadly accidents), the drain on our social services, their destruction of this country's ecology as they break the law entering this country illegally. etc...

You don't answer these points because you can't. There is no defense and we all know it.

You would rather pretend that something that is never going to happen and would never work is a viable solution.

You're wrong here too. What makes you think this???

The politicians are either going to do what they're told or they'll be gone. They might need some help understanding this. We're eager to assist them.

I have a primary concern it is border security and because I refuse to knuckle under to what sounds to me like bullshit I've had my loyality questioned.

You wrap yourself in "Conservatism" like Falcon wraps himself in "Patriotism."

It's total bullshit and everyone can see it a mile away.

[cameron]

bounce said:

I have provided arguments that have not only refuted yours you haven't even addressed them.

Cameron, I cannot believe you can type these words. You have refuted nothing. You just keep repeating the same old bullshit lines.

Your math only goes down one line (they work cheap and they've been here too long to kick them out now). Well, that's complete BS!

You refuse to see the situation in its entirety (they're costing us our country!).

I (WE!) have responded with hundreds of posts doing NOTHING BUT addressing your point. It's short sighted as hell.

It is you that have not addressed the closed hospitals, clogged schools, clogged prisons, clogged highways (many driving without insurance and running away after causing deadly accidents), the drain on our social services, their destruction of this country's ecology as they break the law entering this country illegally. etc...

You don't answer these points because you can't. There is no defense and we all know it.





You're wrong here too. What makes you think this???

The politicians are either going to do what they're told or they'll be gone. They might need some help understanding this. We're eager to assist them.

I have a primary concern it is border security and because I refuse to knuckle under to what sounds to me like bullshit I've had my loyality questioned.

You wrap yourself in "Conservatism" like Falcon wraps himself in "Patriotism."

It's total bullshit and everyone can see it a mile away.

Then try addressing at least one of my arguments Bounce.


How do you propose to enforce employment laws with out local support?

Give them legal standing and all the sudden most of your complaints dry up and blow away.


Hahahaha oh and you sure are going to teach those stupid politicians a thing or two by staying home this fall. So how much political power do you plan to accumulate by not voting. hahahaha I've heard few things more clueless. Anyone who thinks they can accumulate political power by not voting is clueless. All you accomplish by not voting is to marginalize your self and your position anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.



Wrap myself in conservatism? What the fuck is that supposed to mean. I've been a conservative my entire life Bounce. Not only that I know the history of being conservative since the time of the French Revolution and you say I'm wrapping myself in conservatism? A statement like that could only come from someone who really has no clue. I'm not a real conservative because I don't agree with people who are living in denial of reality? I don't think so Bounce. I've told you from the start what you want to have happen is not going to happen, wanna bet on it?

[cameron]

Come on Bounce waiting for your thoughtful reply.

[101ABN]

"How do you propose to enforce employment laws with out local support?"

Withhold all Federal funding from any muncipality or county who will not assist federal agencies in enforcing the law.

"The economy here on Long Island is at this point is dependent on their labor, and the locals officials are not going to willingly enforce the laws and will probably help make them unenforcible."

Bullshit. 5% of the workforce won't break your economy. Besides if the jobs are there, others will come to fill them when the illegals are gone. Or is it only illegals willing to work for a substandard wage that follow the labor market?

"You and the rest of the enforcement only crowd are living in a fantasy world."

Speak for yourself.

"It is past time you angry little people grew up and started facing the real world as it is, and not as you want it to be."

Heed your own advice, you're on the wrong side of this one.

"There are illegals on Long Island who have started families have bought homes and are good neighbors to have."

Buying homes? Then they're not only driving wages down but housing costs up. A double loser for the American worker.

"In fact I know a family with a son serving in the Marines."

Let's play a game, Cameron. You list every illegal family with member in the Marines and I'll list every illegal family with a member in prison for rape, robbery, murder, or drug dealing. Whose page do you think will fill up first?

You know damn well which one.