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Post by cameron on May 30, 2006 8:15:31 GMT -8
Nice try Cameron... The fact is that the laws we have ARE ABSOLUTELY ENFORCEABLE. Moreover, you're scared to fucking death that we'll start doing so. Any RINO who doesn't do as they're TOLD by the American public WILL SUFFER FOR IT in November. The choice is theirs. They can speak now (as Bush is doing - just look at his poll numbers) and we'll speak in November. If they are absolutely enforceable why have they never been enforced? Oh and that's me all over running around scared to death hiding under my bed. It's obvious by the way I go along to get along. Anyone who sits out the next election is a fool and the conservative movement is better off without them. If you think the public is with you on this then you obviously haven't looked at any of the polling that has been done. If you sit out the next election you will weaken your position not strengthen it and that's fine with me. STAY HOME THIS FALL |
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Post by Far Rider on May 30, 2006 8:43:47 GMT -8
cameron -- The fault in your argument, of course, is assuming that addressing illegal immigration is somehow mutually exclusive of strengthening border security. No the fault is in your argument, you can not seal the border without addressing the underlying economic issues involved. Bullshit. The "underlying economic issues" are Fox's problem to address, not ours. Those assholes protesting all over California and the Southwest should be going to Mexico City instead. Let Fox sue us - he's lucky we don't send him a bill for giving health care to his citizens. |
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Post by cameron on May 30, 2006 9:03:04 GMT -8
No the fault is in your argument, you can not seal the border without addressing the underlying economic issues involved. Bullshit. The "underlying economic issues" are Fox's problem to address, not ours. Those assholes protesting all over California and the Southwest should be going to Mexico City instead. Let Fox sue us - he's lucky we don't send him a bill for giving health care to his citizens. The jobs are here what we need is to increase the number allowed to come here and work legally weather they are from Mexico or some place else. So long as there is a demand supply will find a way to meet that demand. That is just an economic reality. |
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Post by bounce on May 30, 2006 9:15:43 GMT -8
Mike, Cameron doesn't want there to be laws.
He doesn't give a FUCK about the economic realities beyond unskilled day labor.
He doesn't give a fuck that the real and ultimate price of hiring illegals is the peril of the country.
He doesn't give a fuck that the illegals are clogging our prisons, our schools, our highways, our hospitals and our social service centers.
He doesn't do the math on any of that and intentionally ignores it.
Next time you get charged $30 for a Tylenol in a hospital (if you can find one that hasn't shut down due to being overrun with non=paying illegals), just think of Cameron and remember how much you're saving on apples.
Screw it man. He's trying to make an argument that is clearly bogus once the entirety of the situation is taken into account.
As long as he can keep his blinders on, he'll be a happy camper.
The good news is he's not convincing anyone with a triple digit IQ.
Let him spew his bullshit all he wants. It isn't working.
Rush Limbaugh gets it and has a much bigger impact.
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Post by Far Rider on May 30, 2006 9:19:59 GMT -8
And.....?
No we don't. What we need is for people to follow whatever laws exist, not bitch about whether they exist. THEN we'll talk about who can come and work and who can't.
I, for one, don't want a bunch of illegals who think they are immune to the laws of this country driving around on the same streets I do. It's not bad enough that these southerners think the freeway is a NASCAR track, but now to top it all off we have illegals driving around drunk, with no insurance and no driver license. Let one of them kill one of your relatives and you have no recourse - zip, zilch, nada, zero point zero. You'll pay for the funeral yourself, YOUR insurance will go up because YOU followed the rules, and the illegal gets three hots and a cot for as long as it takes to serve a DWI manslaughter charge.
And what about the MS-13 gangs we have here?
If we enforced the laws we have we wouldn't have these problems, and these corrupt ass Demmunists here would rather kiss the asses of illegals, giving them job preferences and in state tuition to our colleges while Americans foot the bill.
Fuck that. I am tired of getting the shit end of the stick all the time. Enforce the law. Throw their asses out. Build the wall. Then we'll talk.
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Post by cameron on May 30, 2006 9:32:50 GMT -8
And.....? No we don't. What we need is for people to follow whatever laws exist, not bitch about whether they exist. THEN we'll talk about who can come and work and who can't. I, for one, don't want a bunch of illegals who think they are immune to the laws of this country driving around on the same streets I do. It's not bad enough that these southerners think the freeway is a NASCAR track, but now to top it all off we have illegals driving around drunk, with no insurance and no driver license. Let one of them kill one of your relatives and you have no recourse - zip, zilch, nada, zero point zero. You'll pay for the funeral yourself, YOUR insurance will go up because YOU followed the rules, and the illegal gets three hots and a cot for as long as it takes to serve a DWI manslaughter charge. And what about the MS-13 gangs we have here? If we enforced the laws we have we wouldn't have these problems, and these corrupt ass Demmunists here would rather kiss the asses of illegals, giving them job preferences and in state tuition to our colleges while Americans foot the bill. Fuck that. I am tired of getting the shit end of the stick all the time. Enforce the law. Throw their asses out. Build the wall. Then we'll talk. Arrrrrrrrg. I'm tired of going up against every single Friend I have on the net over this issue. You want to make it easy for us to grab those among them that come here to commit crime then give them a legal way of being here and it will be much easier to catch the law breakers. You can't enforce the laws that are on the books now and you will find there are entire communities for reasons of their own economic self interest will not cooperate with you. That's the reason the laws we have on the books now can't be enforced and why they haven't been. Their asses aren't going to be thrown out it isn't in the cards the sooner you accept that reality the sooner you will start to address the issue in a manner that actually is capable of securing our borders. |
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Post by jfree on May 30, 2006 9:58:23 GMT -8
The laws are completely enforcable, the truth is no one has had the cajones to enforce them. The Police are always on the "it aint my job" trip and the INS has been disassembled. Why did they take away the INS? Because some whore politicians want the hispanic vote and they would rather disenfranchise Americans who they think aren't paying attention than do their job. The fact is the illegals have already violated the law and our politicians have no right to reward them for it.
You can call me a racist all you want Cam, but it is untrue. My best friend is a Philipino, I grew up in a community that doesn't really bother itself about racist views, I have had to ask people the meaning of so many racist slurs they act like I am stupid because I never heard the word Kike, Wop, Chink or the rest of them where I grew up. But here there are illegals, and they to work illegally and send all their money back to the Philipines while living 20 in a two bedroom home w/one car. They work here in the summer then go back and live high on the hog in the philipines where American money goes a long long way, they often have nice homes and maids at home while they live here in utter poverty by our standards. I have seen this first hand and get the information from the Philipino community. BTW they were in the parade up here this Saturday w/Viva Mexico signs and got booed big time.
You seem to be working off the notion that none of us have any idea of what illegals are like, I can tell you I have grown up, even here in Alaska to see the effects of illegal immigration in this state.
The point is the economics do not work, it is costly to the majority of American Citizens and does not benefit us. When the president or any other elected official acts in the interests of getting more support from only one section of the voter base they disenfranchise the rest and you damn well know it. It makes them whores. What about all the hospitals that have closed? Do you not get it, don't care or don't want to answer because it flies in the face of your opinion? What about the social services or SS that they eat up? Again are you unwilling to discuss these because they do not support your view? The economist letter you supplied showed only political opinion and offered no numbers no meat no evidence to support their view, am I suppose to just concede because they want illegals but off no proof of their benefit to our society?
I don't mind your not agreeing w/me, but the insults, contentiousness and condescension is absurd.
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Post by Far Rider on May 30, 2006 11:16:04 GMT -8
And.....? No we don't. What we need is for people to follow whatever laws exist, not bitch about whether they exist. THEN we'll talk about who can come and work and who can't. I, for one, don't want a bunch of illegals who think they are immune to the laws of this country driving around on the same streets I do. It's not bad enough that these southerners think the freeway is a NASCAR track, but now to top it all off we have illegals driving around drunk, with no insurance and no driver license. Let one of them kill one of your relatives and you have no recourse - zip, zilch, nada, zero point zero. You'll pay for the funeral yourself, YOUR insurance will go up because YOU followed the rules, and the illegal gets three hots and a cot for as long as it takes to serve a DWI manslaughter charge. And what about the MS-13 gangs we have here? If we enforced the laws we have we wouldn't have these problems, and these corrupt ass Demmunists here would rather kiss the asses of illegals, giving them job preferences and in state tuition to our colleges while Americans foot the bill. Fuck that. I am tired of getting the shit end of the stick all the time. Enforce the law. Throw their asses out. Build the wall. Then we'll talk. Arrrrrrrrg. I'm tired of going up against every single Friend I have on the net over this issue. You want to make it easy for us to grab those among them that come here to commit crime then give them a legal way of being here and it will be much easier to catch the law breakers. You can't enforce the laws that are on the books now and you will find there are entire communities for reasons of their own economic self interest will not cooperate with you. That's the reason the laws we have on the books now can't be enforced and why they haven't been. Their asses aren't going to be thrown out it isn't in the cards the sooner you accept that reality the sooner you will start to address the issue in a manner that actually is capable of securing our borders. Wrong - it's not that we can't enforce the laws, it's that we won't enforce the laws. Let me tell you something: if I move to another state I have 30 days to get my paperwork straightened out - social security, driver license, registration - and if you don't you're going to get your ass handed to you. I'll tell you something else: try not filing your taxes one year and see how long it takes somebody in the Federal government to figure it out in a country of almost 300 million people. Let me reiterate: fuck that. I'm a citizen and if I have to follow all these silly assed regulations so do they. And if the politicians don't want to make them follow the laws, then we'll get somebody who will. I am tired of local law enforcement writing me a speeding ticket based on what a camera says then telling me it's not their job to catch illegals, even when they know who they are. I am tired of those fuckers getting off scot free while I have to toe the line. I AM GETTING TIRED OF BEING A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN TO SOME FUCKER WHO ISN'T EVEN A CITIZEN! And there are more of me than there are of them. |
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Post by cameron on May 30, 2006 12:03:48 GMT -8
Arrrrrrrrg. I'm tired of going up against every single Friend I have on the net over this issue. You want to make it easy for us to grab those among them that come here to commit crime then give them a legal way of being here and it will be much easier to catch the law breakers. You can't enforce the laws that are on the books now and you will find there are entire communities for reasons of their own economic self interest will not cooperate with you. That's the reason the laws we have on the books now can't be enforced and why they haven't been. Their asses aren't going to be thrown out it isn't in the cards the sooner you accept that reality the sooner you will start to address the issue in a manner that actually is capable of securing our borders. Wrong - it's not that we can't enforce the laws, it's that we won't enforce the laws. Let me tell you something: if I move to another state I have 30 days to get my paperwork straightened out - social security, driver license, registration - and if you don't you're going to get your ass handed to you. I'll tell you something else: try not filing your taxes one year and see how long it takes somebody in the Federal government to figure it out in a country of almost 300 million people. Let me reiterate: fuck that. I'm a citizen and if I have to follow all these silly assed regulations so do they. And if the politicians don't want to make them follow the laws, then we'll get somebody who will. I am tired of local law enforcement writing me a speeding ticket based on what a camera says then telling me it's not their job to catch illegals, even when they know who they are. I am tired of those fuckers getting off scot free while I have to toe the line. I AM GETTING TIRED OF BEING A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN TO SOME FUCKER WHO ISN'T EVEN A CITIZEN! And there are more of me than there are of them. Spare me your anger niether you or anyone else did a thing to stop them until recently. Until recently no one cared. We have not enforced the laws as written and we aren't going to and your threat to start committing acts of vigilantism aren't going to win anyone over to your cause. Start facing reality and stop sounding like an angry child and there are not as many of you as you might imagine there are. |
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Post by peterd on May 30, 2006 13:13:32 GMT -8
There should not be amnesty for illegals. They violated our laws and they need to be deported no matter how long it takes. We do have a problem in this country. It is called politics. Politics comes from two words, poly meaning many and tics, self explanatory. So it is time to vote out some of these blood suckers. They lived in DC to long and they forgot who their people are.
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Post by FightingFalcon on May 30, 2006 13:46:48 GMT -8
Any RINO who doesn't do as they're TOLD by the American public WILL SUFFER FOR IT in November. The choice is theirs. They can speak now (as Bush is doing - just look at his poll numbers) and we'll speak in November. No, they won't. Mike even said it - he'll vote Republican anyway just because of who the other choice is. Stop acting like Republicans are going to punish their leaders anytime soon. You can scream and yell all you want right now about how you are going to "punish" the Republicans in November but it won't happen. Once you see the Democratic alternative, you'll betray your beliefs once again and vote Republican. |
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Post by Far Rider on May 30, 2006 14:34:18 GMT -8
Wrong - it's not that we can't enforce the laws, it's that we won't enforce the laws. Let me tell you something: if I move to another state I have 30 days to get my paperwork straightened out - social security, driver license, registration - and if you don't you're going to get your ass handed to you. I'll tell you something else: try not filing your taxes one year and see how long it takes somebody in the Federal government to figure it out in a country of almost 300 million people. Let me reiterate: fuck that. I'm a citizen and if I have to follow all these silly assed regulations so do they. And if the politicians don't want to make them follow the laws, then we'll get somebody who will. I am tired of local law enforcement writing me a speeding ticket based on what a camera says then telling me it's not their job to catch illegals, even when they know who they are. I am tired of those fuckers getting off scot free while I have to toe the line. I AM GETTING TIRED OF BEING A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN TO SOME FUCKER WHO ISN'T EVEN A CITIZEN! And there are more of me than there are of them. Spare me your anger niether you or anyone else did a thing to stop them until recently. Until recently no one cared. We have not enforced the laws as written and we aren't going to and your threat to start committing acts of vigilantism aren't going to win anyone over to your cause. Start facing reality and stop sounding like an angry child and there are not as many of you as you might imagine there are. You know, I think I have had enough of your snotty assed condescension. We shall see how this unfolds. Have your papers in order. Mine are. |
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Post by Far Rider on May 30, 2006 14:38:03 GMT -8
Any RINO who doesn't do as they're TOLD by the American public WILL SUFFER FOR IT in November. The choice is theirs. They can speak now (as Bush is doing - just look at his poll numbers) and we'll speak in November. No, they won't. Mike even said it - he'll vote Republican anyway just because of who the other choice is. Stop acting like Republicans are going to punish their leaders anytime soon. You can scream and yell all you want right now about how you are going to "punish" the Republicans in November but it won't happen. Once you see the Democratic alternative, you'll betray your beliefs once again and vote Republican. Now, I want you to actually try thinking about what you just said. In the first place, I think we all understand what RINO means - they're not real Republicans. In the second place, if you think re-electing certain Republicans doesn't help our cause, just how in the hell does throwing the election to the Demmunists further our cause? Think, FF. Are you trying to accomplish a goal or are you just looking for a chance to yell "bullshit"? |
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Post by FightingFalcon on May 30, 2006 15:14:48 GMT -8
I'm simply pointing out hypocrisy.
Everyone on this board criticized me for being an Idealist who refuses to betray any of his beliefs. Such a person cannot exist in this political climate, ya'll said. You would have no influence and couldn't change anything in America.
So here we are now - a bunch of Idealists who refuse to compromise on the issue of illegal immigration. You have your beliefs and you REFUSE to betray what you believe in. For that, I congratulate you.
However, you also want your voice heard. Well, my friend, you can't have it both ways. Either you betray your beliefs on illegal immigration and vote Republican or you abstain from voting (or *shock* vote Democrat!) and stick to your guns.
Well, which one is it going to be? 24 Republican Senators voted in favor of the bill - that's a little less than 50% of Republican Senators total. Are they all RINOs?
Man....you have no idea how much I am going to enjoy watching ya'll struggle in November with the decision to either vote Republican or abstain in support of your beliefs. See - I don't have that problem.
Come October, I'm gonna get out the popcorn and enjoy myself.
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Post by cameron on May 30, 2006 15:46:21 GMT -8
Spare me your anger niether you or anyone else did a thing to stop them until recently. Until recently no one cared. We have not enforced the laws as written and we aren't going to and your threat to start committing acts of vigilantism aren't going to win anyone over to your cause. Start facing reality and stop sounding like an angry child and there are not as many of you as you might imagine there are. You know, I think I have had enough of your snotty assed condescension. We shall see how this unfolds. Have your papers in order. Mine are. Well that's just to bad and since we do not live in a police state I don't have to show you my papers. |
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