America, You Lost! I win!!!

[MARIO]

fightingfalcon said:

Well, he's one of the bigwigs. We go the information. Can we execute him NOW?

Has he had a trial? Military or otherwise? Then no, we can't. If he is sentenced to death, so be it. I won't support it but I realize that it's the law. I've never advocated breaking the law and I've always tried to explain that I can carry out a law I do not believe in. We do it every day of our lives. I accept abortion even though its the most evil practice in the world, IMHO. That doesn't mean I go kill doctors...



I'm sure I could find you examples of terrorists who have surrendered.



Was it a good thing? Who knows. Regardless, I'll never change my opinion that, outside of a combat enviornment, only God has the right to take someone's life.



And killing the enemy will be made easier if we KNOW WHERE THEY ARE! Why is this so hard for everyone to understand? Terrorists are useful to us when we can get information out of them. Common sense is staring us in the face and you're refusing to acknowledge it.

I didn't. YOU did. You said that America should abandon the death penalty.

Yea, I did. I brought it up because you claimed that my opposition to the death penalty will affect my ability to kill armed terrorists. It won't.

Take care Mario. Done with finals yet?

I acknowledge that obtaining certain information is important. But that's no excuse for not killing the enemy. What are we going to do, persist in capturing terrorist after terrorist??

We have to kill the overwhelming majority of them.


James, I said that because you argued against shooting dead those who are in the act of "surrendering."

That could quickly lead to your death.

Believe it or not, I'm looking out for you! That's why I brought it up. You don't have time to make some of these ridiculous moral considerations on combat. Especially not with this particular enemy.

Finals BEGIN in 2 weeks. I'm not looking forward to them.

Later.

[FightingFalcon]

I acknowledge that obtaining certain information is important. But that's no excuse for not killing the enemy. What are we going to do, persist in capturing terrorist after terrorist??

I've never argued against killing terrorists in combat situations. But never will I ever agree to killing POWs or to using the death penalty. This objection is religious in nature and therefore will never change. If we sentence people to death, so be it. That's the laws of America. But I would never advocate the death penalty for terrorists. However, in combat situations, everything is fair game. I wouldn't hesitate to kill them.

We have to kill the overwhelming majority of them.

I fully agree.

James, I said that because you argued against shooting dead those who are in the act of "surrendering."

Obviously it depends on the situation. But again, I really have no objection to soldiers who shoot unarmed terrorists because of their tactics.

Believe it or not, I'm looking out for you! That's why I brought it up. You don't have time to make some of these ridiculous moral considerations on combat. Especially not with this particular enemy.

Which is why I've said that in combat situations, everything is fair game.

Finals BEGIN in 2 weeks. I'm not looking forward to them.

Ouch. Chris is already done and I'll be done this Friday. Good luck.

[AmericanPride]

I read somewhere the other day that it's technically legal to approach the enemy under the "colors" of a third party, but that once combat is engaged, you must immediately show your true allegiance by flag, uniform, or other recognized symbol.

[101ABN]

Once they open fire on you, their allegiance is no longer in question.

OF course you'll have to consult with the legal affairs officer before returning fire.

[FightingFalcon]

admin said:

Once they open fire on you, their allegiance is no longer in question.

OF course you'll have to consult with the legal affairs officer before returning fire.

Just a little bit of an exaggeration........

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I've never argued against killing terrorists in combat situations. But never will I ever agree to killing POWs or to using the death penalty.

There you go again confusing POWs and terrorists.

Funny how words can be twisted around to reach any meaning you want.

You take that crap and repeat it without question, hook, line and sinker.

[FightingFalcon]

There you go again confusing POWs and terrorists.

I'd never agree to killing detained terrorists. How about that?

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fightingfalcon said:

Bounce - you always lecture me on taking my Oath seriously. Well how about the UCMJ, should I take that seriously?

What you just advocated would surely result in your courts-martial.

I have no idea where you keep getting this shit!

He should have been given a short military tribunal that reviewed the facts, listened to his sworn testimony of GUILT and then executed!

How you get "court martial" out of that I have no idea. I'm talking about fighting fire with fire. I'm talking about a mentality where we fight to win. I'm talking about a mentality where we decide to meet the enemy head-on in a manner they understand.

All you can think of is "court martial."

[FightingFalcon]

He should have been given a short military tribunal that reviewed the facts, listened to his sworn testimony of GUILT and then executed!

If that's what the law says, I have no problem with that.

But I won't advocate it because I'm against the death penalty.

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fightingfalcon said:

There you go again confusing POWs and terrorists.

I'd never agree to killing detained terrorists. How about that?

One whole point to my Nick Berg links was to show the stark contrast between REAL terrorists and what people like Turban Durbin and John Kerry have decided that word means (i.e. our troops doing their jobs).

You have dumbed down the word TERRORIST to the point where the word no longer has meaning. Hence, the links to the videos.

You are one of the ones who need to be reminded what that word means.

Now, what if the "terrorist" is a spy? What if the spy is given life and his homies take other Daniel Pearls and make videos of their beheadings after demands of Moussaoui's release are ignored?

Hmmmmmm???

You and people like you make the war WORSE; a lot worse.

Wrap yourself in "feel good" "shining city on the hill" and "we're better than they are" only to get a lot of TRULY INNOCENT people killed.

[FightingFalcon]

Wrap yourself in "feel good" "shining city on the hill" and "we're better than they are" only to get a lot of TRULY INNOCENT people killed.

It is a sad fact that people must die.

But it's better than the death of the ideals for which this country stands for. If that happened, it wouldn't matter how many people die.

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fightingfalcon said:

Wrap yourself in "feel good" "shining city on the hill" and "we're better than they are" only to get a lot of TRULY INNOCENT people killed.

It is a sad fact that people must die.

But it's better than the death of the ideals for which this country stands for. If that happened, it wouldn't matter how many people die.

A true surrender.

You don't give a rat-fuck how many people are beheaded because of your worthless attitudes.

You will still wrap yourself in FAKE self-righteousness and claim victory.

This is one reason we cannot bend to you guys on the Left.

You're fucking this country at the core.

You must be defeated.

[FightingFalcon]

You must be defeated.

I would choose death over betraying Integrity, my Oath and/or the Constitution.

Some of us actually take our Oath seriously.