Ya'll are probably going to hate me...

[Far Rider]

Golly you old salt, you are closer to becoming a psychologist than I.

It's true: I don't know how we got to the place where we need all these external trappings and hyphenated allegiances.

We are the first and so far the only country to have sent men to the moon. We pretty much had polio and TB licked for a long time there. We invented the telephone and the first workable airplane.

Why being an American is not enough is beyond me.

[FightingFalcon]

"Why being an American is not enough is beyond me."

So does that mean that you can't show any pride in the place where you ancestors come from?

From my room you probably wouldn't know that I love America. I've got an Irish flag, the 1916 Easter Uprising Proclamation and tons of Irish history books.

But I love the Republic more than anything in the world. I would give my life to defend it and would never do anything to harm it. I am extremely proud to be from this country and I would never want to be anything other than an American.

Is there something so wrong in showing a little pride in where you came from, though?

Everyone else - I'll get to you eventually.....

[Far Rider]

Is there something so wrong in showing a little pride in where you came from, though?

I'm proud of where I came from, and I came from Ohio. I thought you came from New Jersey.

[FightingFalcon]

I do - and I love New Jersey.

But I still have family back in the Old Country(ies) and have a connection to them. However, I also recognize where my ultimate loyalty is.

If I can have pride in both America and Ireland (not to mention Italy), why can't Mexicans?

It's funny because my brother, who is a strong xenophobe, also has an Italian flag in his room. Many people I've talked to who complain about Mexicans waving the Mexican flag at the same time have tons of pride in their ancestral history.

I would wager a bet that Mario has an Italian flag in his room too. Not calling you a xenophobe Mario, but you are proud of your Italian heritage, aren't you? I'd be willing to bet that you love Italian food, go to Little Italy all the time (I sure as hell do , have an Italian flag and maybe even a picture of Mazzini. Maybe. So what's so wrong with that?

I'm not an Irish-Italian-American. I'm an American through and through. But I also love the countries that my ancestors came from. So what is so wrong with that....

[FightingFalcon]

"James, I honestly have no idea what you're tlaking about in that second paragraph.

You say you're angry that these people don't love America as much as you and I do, but then go off on a rant about brown people, yellow, etc.

What does that have to do with anything??"

Beneath this anti-illegal immigration is a hint of racism. Let's just admit it. We're annoyed that America is turning "brown" and white America is being threatened. I know that the thought has crossed the back of your mind, so don't lie to me.

Personally, I don't give a shit what the demographics of America is. I don't care if Latinos are the biggest minority in America. I don't care if whites become less than 50% of the population. The fact of the matter is that there are white communities out there who are just as hostile towards integration with American culture - like some Russian and Polish communities. So where is the outrage against them? There isn't any because they're white. Again, I don't care what color you are.

[Far Rider]

fightingfalcon said:

Beneath this anti-illegal immigration is a hint of racism. Let's just admit it.

No one is admitting it because it's total and utter bullshit.

What made this country great is that it was a melting pot, not a fucking salad bowl. The melting pot made us greater than the sum of our parts - we got craftsmen from Germany, workers (and soldiers!) from Ireland, educators from England, and together there wasn't anything we couldn't do.

Maybe you think we should stand aside and let these silly assed notions of multiculturalism destroy the greatest country in history so we can become some weak assed, has been shithole like France or Germany?

[jfree]

No Falcon, this is not about race. This is about where the majority of illegals come from and they are the ones trying to hold us hostage financially, if it had been Romanians below the border, my rage would be the same. The idea of this being a racial issue comes from the illegals and lefty loons.

Go home Gringos, was a sign held at one rally, that is racist. As for communities that keep to themselves or tend to bottleneck in a small area, so do blacks, cubans, philipinos etc...

If they want to be a small community joined together so be it, that is not racism it is a neighborhood of like individuals who choose to live that way. Been to China town lately? They make their own little towns, is that racist? No, it's actually quite charming to visit and these people are brought together by a sense of community and similar values systems.

I am of both Native American and Irish descent, I like St.Patricks day even though I am not Catholic, it celebrates some of my ancestors. As does Cinco de Mayo for the Mexican community. We see it everywhere here, and I think they need and deserve to celebrate a day that celebrates their ancestory.

I do not begrudge anyone the right to be proud of their ancestory or feel pride in their country of origin. I do however have a serious problem when you come here illegally and demand citizenship after usurping our laws and wave a flag in my face saying if we deny you we are racist. I do mind being held hostage fiscally, I do mind these morons who try and say they speak for my Native ancestors and demand citizenship, geuss what my Native ancestors nation is still here, we never left nor do we demand to take land from anyone.

[tits]

Supposedly that society was very open and people came and went at will. However, they did press many into service and slavery was a way to exploit slave labor.

[jfree]

Here is another reason to rethink the costs of burdens placed on the US by illegals

FOLEY APPLAUDS FEDERAL ASSISTANCE TO HOSPITALS OVERWHELMED BY IMMIGRANT CARE
Foley: Failed Immigration Policy Shouldn’t Leave Our Healthcare Providers With the Bill


Tuesday, May 10, 2005
WASHINGTON - Congressman Mark Foley (FL-16) released the following statement on the release of guidelines for the allocation of $1 billion for hospitals who are burdened with unpaid medical expenses for illegal immigrants:

“Two and a half years ago we considered it a victory to have $1 billion set aside for hospitals who are overwhelmed with the unpaid medical bills of illegal immigrants. I am pleased to see this money being dispersed and hope to see more attention brought to this issue. Our country’s failed immigration policy should not leave our healthcare providers with the bill.”

The largest allocations this fiscal year are going to California, $70.8 million; Texas, $46 million; Arizona, $45 million; New York, $12.3 million; Illinois, $10.3 million; Florida, $8.7 million; and New Mexico, $5.1 million.



FOXNEWS.COM HOME > POLITICS
L.A. Emergency Rooms Full of Illegal Immigrants
Friday, March 18, 2005

LOS ANGELES — This is part three of a five-part series looking at how illegal immigration affects U.S. border security, the criminal, health care and education systems, as well as the economy. Watch the series this week on FOX News Channel.

Overburdened by the uninsured and overwhelmed by illegal immigration (search), public health care in Los Angeles is on life support.

Sixty percent of the county's uninsured patients are not U.S. citizens. More than half are here illegally. About 2 million undocumented aliens in Los Angeles County alone are crowding emergency rooms because they can't afford to see a doctor.

According to the State Association of Hospitals (search), California's public health system is "on the brink of collapse." In Los Angeles County, patients can wait four days for a hospital bed and up to two years for gallbladder surgery.

"The hospitals are closing because of the totality of the uninsured," said Dr. Thomas Garthwaite, director of the Los Angeles County Health Department (search). "If you're legally a resident in California and you're poor, you have a right to basic services."

But some critics say the taxpayers can't be the HMO (search) to the world. Last year, Los Angeles County spent $340 million to treat the uninsured; that's roughly $1,000 for every taxpayer.

"We're citizens here. Why should somebody from another country that's here illegally get anything that we can't get? I mean that's dumb, that's not right," said Don Schenck, whose son, Bill, is mentally disabled.

Though the Schencks are uninsured, and considered poor by county standards, his father had to find a way to pay for his Bill's care while thousands of others, in the country illegally, get it for free.

"It makes you feel pretty bad when you're born in that country and you're handicapped and you've got a learning disability and you can't get medical," Schenck said.

Mike Antonovich, the Los Angeles County supervisor, said the system has been "basically bankrupted."

The Department of Health has a $1.2 billion deficit. Caring for illegals is siphoning money from other services and forcing clinics, trauma centers and emergency rooms to close, he said.

"We cannot afford to have a open-door policy to encourage illegals to continue to come here and receive all the medical care, because it's too expensive," he said.

Immigrants like Yolanda Hernandez, however, argue that if there were cheap insurance plans available to her community, people would buy them.

"[Americans] have enough money to pay for insurance," she said. "They make good money and are educated. Unfortunately, we are not."

[MARIO]

fightingfalcon said:

"James, I honestly have no idea what you're tlaking about in that second paragraph.

You say you're angry that these people don't love America as much as you and I do, but then go off on a rant about brown people, yellow, etc.

What does that have to do with anything??"

Beneath this anti-illegal immigration is a hint of racism. Let's just admit it. We're annoyed that America is turning "brown" and white America is being threatened. I know that the thought has crossed the back of your mind, so don't lie to me.

Personally, I don't give a shit what the demographics of America is. I don't care if Latinos are the biggest minority in America. I don't care if whites become less than 50% of the population. The fact of the matter is that there are white communities out there who are just as hostile towards integration with American culture - like some Russian and Polish communities. So where is the outrage against them? There isn't any because they're white. Again, I don't care what color you are.

I know that the thought has crossed the back of your mind, so don't lie to me.

They teach you how to read minds in College ROTC?

The fact of the matter is that I know people of almost every ethnicity and color that are also fine people.

This has nothing to do with race. However, it is those "brown" people you mention who are invading our country, destroying our prisons and hospitals, increasing the murder rate, bringing many diseases, etc.

I repeat: The financial loss and drain far exceeds and financial benefits they add to this nation. We may save money on certain products, but as taxpayers we pay far more. In the end, we're hurt in a more, indirect way.

So do you really believe that's all worth it in the end?

And, please, none of that touchy-feely "human rights" talk.

[MARIO]

I would wager a bet that Mario has an Italian flag in his room too. Not calling you a xenophobe Mario, but you are proud of your Italian heritage, aren't you? I'd be willing to bet that you love Italian food, go to Little Italy all the time (I sure as hell do , have an Italian flag and maybe even a picture of Mazzini. Maybe. So what's so wrong with that?


Haha, no, James. I only have American flags in my room, along with a Ronald Reagan poster, Ann Coulter poster, and Uncle Sam poster reading: "I WANT YOU...TO SPEAK ENGLISH."

Eating at an Italian restaurant is fine. Hell, I just ate at a Mexican restaurant the other day. And guess what? The waiter spoke English! lol

The owners of these Italian restaurants are proud Americans. Are they proud of their heritage? Sure.

But they came here legally and they assimilated.


As far as I know, we don't have election ballots in Russian and Italian, or do we?

As I see it, the greatest threats are the increasingly Mexican and Chinese populations. Being in New York, I know that these two groups want nothing to do with becoming an American. They refuse to learn English, demand preferential treatment (voting ballots in their language), and even have their store names on the outside in their own language!

[101ABN]

Once you shut off the entitlements and bar them from the workplace, they'll self-deport.

"That is your opinion, but I just don't see it that way."

Well, think about it for a minute. What the hell do you THINK they'll do?

No jobs, no welfare, no food stamps, no entitlements except a ride to the border.

Hell, they'll be lining up to get on the bus.

"If I can have pride in both America and Ireland (not to mention Italy), why can't Mexicans? "

Because that's not what they're about. They don't want to assimilate, they want to bring Mexico here and turn the USA into a third world country like the one they left.

You need to get out to Texas, California or Arizona and spend some time on the border or in the barrio and you'll come away with a different viewpoint, I'll wager.

"Beneath this anti-illegal immigration is a hint of racism. Let's just admit it. We're annoyed that America is turning "brown" and white America is being threatened. I know that the thought has crossed the back of your mind, so don't lie to me. "

The RACE card!!! Now it's really clear that you're taking pages straight from the moonbat playbook.

"Personally, I don't give a shit what the demographics of America is."

Get clue, FF. When it becomes MEXICO, It will hardly be America anymore, will it?

Imagine walking miles through a city in your own country and not hearing your own language spoken or seeing signs in anything other that Spanish. Maybe that's what you're about but it sure as hell isn't the America I fought and bled for.

[sgt0311usmc]

FF - Don't hate you, don't question your patriotism, don't have a problem with your Irish flags.

As long-winded on the keyboard as I can be ... right now I'm flummoxed. I certainly believe that, given enough information, that you would be able to put your emotional (feelings) response into context with the situation. It's not about racism, and frankly, these people certainly would constitute a formidible force for change in their own countries. Instead - they're here, demanding that we change.

I've started 3 times in the last 4 hours to try to address this in a coherent manner that might reach you - and erased each attempt as either ineffective or condescending. I see the points that you're trying to make, and the points being made to you. Unfortunately, this is one issue that really requires either a complete education of the subject to see the long-term effect; or, like most of us, to have lived through the progression & consequences. I don't say that to put you down in any way.

Right now, all I have for you is - 10 years from now, if you remember this, you'll shake your head & muse, "WHAT could I POSSIBLY have been thinking?"

Unfortunately, by then, the harm will be done.

Maybe I can come up with something more effective later.

Meanwhile - you're being given actual information here (not just the C&P's, either). If you apply the same consideration, maybe even research some of the info that you're being given, you might find that you change YOUR OWN mind. It's not about racism, it's not about being "against immigrants", & it's certainly not about wishing them ill.

[Far Rider]

It's not about racism, and frankly, these people certainly would constitute a formidible force for change in their own countries. Instead - they're here, demanding that we change.

Yes, Fox is fighting for his political life. Why in hell aren't they in Mexico City making demands there?

[bounce]

This is no different than feeding stray cats. If you start feeding them, you'll have 50 by the end of the year.

If you STOP feeding them, they have to go elsewhere. They will make "other" arrangements.

To look at this situation and say, "Oh well. It's too late. There are too many now. We may as well just open our borders and let them all in because there isn't anything we can do about it." is just plain horse-shit!

The thing that REALLY PISSES ME OFF is when I hear that crap out of republicans that "I HELPED GET ELECTED!"